Greetings Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Re: Wheelbase haters, ever heard of reach?Yeah, but 1010mm AND 71D head tube = worldwide fail.If it had a 72D tube that'd be a totally different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cai Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Looks nice.... shame about the geo But hay, maybe Dengs made an 'amazing breakthrough' with this geo?? haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duck Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 I quite like it :$Its not really a python, he shouldn't have labeled it as one really. It needs somebody to ride it who isn't expecting a traditional barge-like python. I can't really comment on the headangle/reach side of them, because I haven't ridden mods seriously enough to notice stuff like that. If I was buying a mod, I'd probably buy that frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 What are the benefits of a 71d headangle? Easier to ride down a slope without flipping over?.. and not endoing-to-death as easily? You can kinda counter that already by having a high front endFront wheel-wise, it seems like a major drawback. Hopefully it'll have positive outcomes on the rest of the feel.It's alright, I still much prefer it to the look of the 07 Python.Also do remember, the paper measurements aren't final.... When i had a '1005' short Python 2005, the wheelbase was actually about 1030mm and stays about 370 rather than the 362 it was said to be... and also for the long Pythons i've ridden the geo was more like 1060mm and 380mm everytime, rather than 1045 and 375...I would not be surprised one bit if someone bought this Python and measured its wheelbase at 1030-1040, with stays reaching around 370mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 (edited) Looks like all the other pythons that where made ie. shitps i agree should of just stuck it in the other topic. Edited September 27, 2008 by basher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdab Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 (edited) no ur jus an idiot trying to act clever. im sure nobody but u wud hav a problem witht her bein 2 topics, i never sed it was complicated did i? i jus dnt thing like u maybe wud? problem?ye ur funnny, real funny, hope i see you on a ride sumtime back to the topic then roflllll...Roid rage to f**k Damon haha kidden! Pythons nice Edited September 27, 2008 by Abdab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-baby158 Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Yeah, but 1010mm AND 71D head tube = worldwide fail.If it had a 72D tube that'd be a totally different story.Rigt i havn't been in the trials game long and i dont get how 1D would make so much of difference ?I think it looks like a kids bike way way to short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z o o !! Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 I can see more dissapointment on the horizon from deng.LOOKS alright. Geo's gash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil Jsy Chris Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Looks qiute good.But geo seems a bit odd for a python. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Rigt i havn't been in the trials game long and i dont get how 1D would make so much of difference ?I think it looks like a kids bike way way to short.You joined here in April this year, how is that a long time? The difference between 71 and 72 is pretty big when you actually try them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 You joined here in April this year, how is that a long time? The difference between 71 and 72 is pretty big when you actually try them out.He said he hadn't been here long But yeah, there's a fair difference. Maybe 72-72.5 wouldn't bee too noticable, but to drop it right down to 71, along with a short wheelbase and the reach gets slaughtered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam-Griffin Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Whats next, 1050 montys ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Scarlet Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 ZOO! Python, with SL parts.Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 ZOO! Python, with SL parts.Right? Probably because SL is the only complete group at the moment If Tarty's info is correct, this is a good example to demonstrate how the head tube angle affects reach.Wheelbase: 1085mmHead Angle: 72.5 degreesCentre of BB shell to top centre of head tube: 670mm Wheelbase: 1080mmHead Angle: 70.5 degreesCentre of BB shell to top centre of head tube: 640mmBoth frames have the same rise and CS length. Despite the 1st frame having a 5mm longer wheelbase, it has 30mm more reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Yeah, but 1010mm AND 71D head tube = worldwide fail.If it had a 72D tube that'd be a totally different story.Guess everyone will ride the Echo Team then seeing as the rest of the geo is EXACTLY the same.Oh wait... it's not a Python therefore it's not cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duck Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Rigt i havn't been in the trials game long and i dont get how 1D would make so much of difference ?I think it looks like a kids bike way way to short.Well if you don't understand it, shut up about it until you know what your on about. It looks no more like a kids bike than any other f**king mod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Well if you don't understand it, shut up about it until you know what your on about. It looks no more like a kids bike than any other f**king mod.Chill out bey, jeez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex.loves.boys Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 I LOVE YOU ZOO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducko Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 (edited) handbags out to the two winging!looks ok usual kinda looks, i always fancied that sort off geo, hopefully it ride well!better than the usual +9999 bb and 199999mile w/b Edited September 28, 2008 by craigdavies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-mag boi Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 NICE NICE NICE NICE NICE !!shame about the geo though michael riding t-mag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Midget Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 does he ever change the look of this frame or does he just make the seat stay as small as possible and say 'hi five!'where does deng get his info on what people buy his frames and what they actually think of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Wheelbase: 1085mmHead Angle: 72.5 degreesCentre of BB shell to top centre of head tube: 670mm Wheelbase: 1080mmHead Angle: 70.5 degreesCentre of BB shell to top centre of head tube: 640mmYou need to factor in things like head tube length and BB rise, but 1 degree head angle difference = 10mm reach difference if everything else is the same.Python looks good, decent geo, woo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Python looks good, decent geo, woo!it looks like a python how is that good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_scott Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Nice frame, shit geo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 I just blew my load everywhere because all these frames have bashplates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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