Monty99 Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 Hey guys... As I'm writing this, I already know that it may sound like another anoying newbie-tech-poll-topic... well, in a way it is. I have no expierence with rear disc brakes in trials use. So... whats your opinion on the (most popular?) rear brake? The few, maybe 3, different rear Mono Trials i've tried were amazing! Interesting piece of trivia: I already ordered one and it will arrive soon, i guess... Please vote if: - you're an advanced rider (both street and natural) - you wheigh more than 75kg/165lbs - you ride/rode this exact setup on your Mod: Hope Mono Trials, standard 160mm rotor, standard pads (from what i know the 07' caliper hasn't changed in it's mechanics, has it? Piston diameter/ratio?) Please dont if: -you tried the brake once on a friends bike -you're just starting trials and you got a high end bike from your parents (damn you!! ) I guess there will be a couple of votes for the "good enough" option. Please tell me what your brake's performance lacks of. Feel free to write your thought / tricks / advices! And help me neglecting my learning for tomorrows exam Thanks, guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balls Deep trials team Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 (edited) i have hope monos on the front and rear on my limey 320 and the rear brake holds realy well not to pleased with the performance of the front though Edited November 15, 2010 by Balls Deep trials team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 (edited) I voted 'good' i will delete if you want me to but its from what i saw a friend using. It seemed to slip on bigger moves such as pedal kicks where he just got on so he was unable to 'save' it. Was very bitey(spelling?) though. bite 9/10 hold/ 7/10 EDIT: the callipers flex ALOT though, a Julie clip round it might reduce it though. Edited November 15, 2010 by Laurence--Trials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty99 Posted November 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 i will delete if you want me to EDIT: the callipers flex ALOT though, a Julie clip round it might reduce it though. dont care... what do you mean with julie clip? Magura Julie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 He means this: Not necesarry. Rear hope mono trial is absolute win by the way including 160mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 I voted 'good' i will delete if you want me to but its from what i saw a friend using. It seemed to slip on bigger moves such as pedal kicks where he just got on so he was unable to 'save' it. Was very bitey(spelling?) though. bite 9/10 hold/ 7/10 EDIT: the callipers flex ALOT though, a Julie clip round it might reduce it though. That's weird, and possibly setup related? The awesome thing about disc brakes is that they've got a hell of a lot more hold than rim brakes. Adam proved that to me by making me do the 'boon test' up a steep rock on his mod, and then on my rim brake mod. It was conclusive enough to make me try disc. I switched to disc and loved it. Quieter and smoother, less hassle with constant grinding/tweaking, just pretty much fit and forget. I wouldn't really want to change to a 180 instead of a 160 - most of the time that'll involve using an adaptor (flex), and also make your rotor more prone to bashing. 160 should be pretty much enough for anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_Trials Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 Had it similar on my mod a few year back, it held and all but you never get the same confidence as with a magura. It might just be me who doesn't like the sponge but anyhow. If you do get rear disk, get a aztec rotor if it performs like poop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franksx2005 Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 Had it similar on my mod a few year back, it held and all but you never get the same confidence as with a magura. It might just be me who doesn't like the sponge but anyhow. If you do get rear disk, get a aztec rotor if it performs like poop. its only sponge if its not setup and bled right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 That's weird, and possibly setup related? The awesome thing about disc brakes is that they've got a hell of a lot more hold than rim brakes. Adam proved that to me by making me do the 'boon test' up a steep rock on his mod, and then on my rim brake mod. It was conclusive enough to make me try disc. I switched to disc and loved it. Quieter and smoother, less hassle with constant grinding/tweaking, just pretty much fit and forget. I wouldn't really want to change to a 180 instead of a 160 - most of the time that'll involve using an adaptor (flex), and also make your rotor more prone to bashing. 160 should be pretty much enough for anyone. Oh, maybe the disc was set up wrong, slightly contaminated or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty99 Posted November 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 (edited) Is chain stretching an issue? especially considering the pad alignment? It's a well known fact that pad alignment is the key in the HS33 world... would you guys recommend the the Z510HX for that matter? allthough i usually have to retension my kool chains only about 3 times before i change them... Edited November 15, 2010 by Monty99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 The alignment in and out from the hub (if that makes sense) isn't really so bad. It wouldn't be enough to make or break a setup, basically. As long as the pads and rotor are parallel it should be fine. A Z610HX or Z510HX would be fine. They're both the same chain, just one's 3/32" and one's 1/8". Strength should be pretty much identical on both. They'll definitely stretch a lot less than your Kool though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty99 Posted November 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 As long as the pads and rotor are parallel it should be fine. That's what i was reffering to. Is there a noticeable loss of power if you for example change the chain or if you have a flat and when putting the wheel back in, you dont set up the snail cams in the exact same way as before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 Yes there is, it is vital that you do get the wheel set up square again, absolutely, or if you cant be bothered go for a ride down a very long hill when u put yer wheel back in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarathal Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 Just run it slammed back in your dropouts with a spoke tensioner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 Find mine really really good, as has been said it's really important you set the calliper up so that pads hit square and evenly on the disc, seems to affect lever feel as well as the performance of the brake; spend a bit of time with the hope shims and get your mounts faced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty99 Posted January 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 if someones interested... turned out absolutely awesome!!! just followed the two mounting-advices from the manual: - perfect pad alignment - (i call it) no contact time differences of the pads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dd Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Hope are definetly the way forward for mods. Alot more hold than any other brakes - rim or disc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob L Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I know that there will be many comments to try and contridict this but in my opinion they just lack on power compared to a maggy with decent pads. I used a standard hope front and back for about a year, aswell as various rotors. Yes they will make you ride smoother but I found that the day i swtitched to dual maggy i improved immensly on the first day. If you do decide to ignore me and buy one anyway, then what I would do is clean the rotors and pads once every 10 rides or so to maintain the best braking performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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