seriously - DICK..... i dont know what ur basing your ideas on, but, deng makes top quality components. They work. some people have their troubles, but so does EVERY component with trials. king, hope, deng, koxx, monty, and all these other brands all have their problems. making components is progressive, dengs frames are probably the strongest aluminium frames available for trials. hardly any of the new ones break....onzas snap, montys snap, koxxs dent and snap, blah blah blah. some of dengs hubs are not quite up to scratch, but how long have hope been making hubs......f**kING AGES, how long have king been making hubs f**kING AGES, deng has made freehubs for two years maximum. stop following the slag off deng phase just because you can. back up your ideas will you