Ross McArthur Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Hey all,Im wondering what the difference is between the sintered and organic brake pads that avid do.Im basically wanting to know what is going to be the best for trials?Thanks.Oh, and while im on the subject, is the avid speed dial 7 a good buy/work well for the money?Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 the sd7 lever is a great buy for the money; easily the best lever ive used so far ( sd5, sd3, xt, xtr )not so sure about the pads though; i know organic should give better performance; although im not too sure. Apparently ebc red pads are supposed to be realy good pads for use on a trials bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross McArthur Posted January 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Right, thats me decided on the lever then.Pad choice is either this, AvidThis, Avid 2This, Avid 3This, Avid 4 (ceramic)So whats the best in your opinion? Regardless of cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurent Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Right, thats me decided on the lever then.Pad choice is either this, AvidThis, Avid 2This, Avid 3This, Avid 4 (ceramic)So whats the best in your opinion? Regardless of cost.Sintered are fine!You'll probably have a bit more power with organic, but it'll not last as long as the Sintered.So as Sintered have enough power to my opinion, you should get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_malcolm Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 had a little ask around at work for you.sintered are harder for winter use and the organic are slightly softer for summer use, the organic pads offer slightly more modulation and feel.the sintered pads are sharper also pretty certain they dont last as long.hope that helps a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 iu think the organics are softer and shiulf therefore be bitier and offer betetr hold, although im not 100% on that though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandalf the Yellow Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 sintered are harder for winter use and the organic are slightly softer for summer use, the organic pads offer slightly more modulation and feel.the sintered pads are sharper also pretty certain they dont last as long.that doesn't make any sense. sintered is metal-based compound so its designed to not shred in the wet and grit from off road riders, performance is reduced but durability is increased.organic is the softer compound for better performance especially in the dry.and if you ask me which to go for on a trials bike then definitely organic. when do you ever see mud and grit on your rotor??steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 go here and get sintered...imohttp://tartybikes.co.uk/product.php?produc...;category_id=83 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross McArthur Posted January 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 There seems to be a lot of conflicting opinions on this subject.I was really hoping for some one to say they have used both and the better one was....?From the information given I still don’t know what to go for!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurent Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 ORGANIC= BETTER PERFORMANCE AND LESS DURABILITY !!!!!SINTERED= A BIT LESS PERFORMANCE AND MORE DURABILITY !!!It's that simple.....then it's your call to choose what you want.An be sure no matter what you choose your bb7 will have a tone of power as usual.Does it make sense to you?i hope this will help you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 bb7's always seem to have solid lock (they have from my experience) with whatever pads i have bought. I have had 4 or 5 over the years, just through swapping them etc, just get sintered because they last longer...thats what i have normally bought and my brake always holds tough... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Anscombe Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Ive used both sinterd witch are the standard pads in most brakes.organic in the winter were soooo crap and started to flake away i went back to sinterd Dave x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross McArthur Posted January 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 ORGANIC= BETTER PERFORMANCE AND LESS DURABILITY !!!!!SINTERED= A BIT LESS PERFORMANCE AND MORE DURABILITY !!!It's that simple.....then it's your call to choose what you want.An be sure no matter what you choose your bb7 will have a tone of power as usual.Does it make sense to you?i hope this will help you! But I still dont know what to go for!! only kidding.Right ok, sintered it is then.Thanks friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 I think a lot of people get confused as to what they are actually using. Sintered are longer life but less power, this is more of an issue for mountain bikes where pad wear is an issue. On a trials bike, pads last aaaages anyway. I've admittedly only used Hayes organic and sintered pads - but the sintered ones had a LOT less bite. Conclusion: I'd definitely go for organic. They're (usually) slightly cheaper and are more powerful. Maybe the Avid sintered pads are better though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross McArthur Posted January 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggg!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Anscombe Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 ross ma friendil brake it downSINTERED for the winter ...orgainc for summersinterd harder compound .......organic softer...match to your riding conditions winter time now get sinteredthen in summer try the organic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Sintered offers long life, with the organic offering slightly better performance.Surely that's all you need to know, go for Organic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Anscombe Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) organic are crap in the wet though.......... and dont like the cold.......in trials use the disc never really gets hot enough for organic to work.in nice summery dry conditions though the organics work better than the sintered Edited January 15, 2009 by mrkoxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 actually i would go for organic now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Well as far as I know both my Hopes have organic in and I've never had a problem with them, wet or dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumplestiltskin Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) Just buy another Hope. Edited January 15, 2009 by Rumplestiltskin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycholist Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Organic pads should get the disk hotter quicker as they tend to be less thermally conductive. Sintered pads have more metal in them and therefore conduct more heat away from the disk to the brake caliper. On my Shimano XT 2 pot brakes, organic pads give more bite, less life (Probably by about 1/3) and don't howl like sintered pads often do when the disk is running hot (And by hot I mean 40mph descents in the Alps, not dragging it down the local high street - mostly either pad type will be silent unless its contaminated with oil).Magura disks don't even come with a sintered pad option AFAIK as they reckon organic are the way to go (With mineral oil's lower boiling point compared to DOT 5.1, better insulating brake pads will reduce the likelihood of brake fluid boiling, so that might be part of their reasoning too (Shimano are also mineral oil though)... This is all monumentally irrelevant for trials of course as the disks never see that kind of heat ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross McArthur Posted January 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Just buy another Hope.Na. Organic pads should get the disk hotter quicker as they tend to be less thermally conductive. Sintered pads have more metal in them and therefore conduct more heat away from the disk to the brake caliper. On my Shimano XT 2 pot brakes, organic pads give more bite, less life (Probably by about 1/3) and don't howl like sintered pads often do when the disk is running hot (And by hot I mean 40mph descents in the Alps, not dragging it down the local high street - mostly either pad type will be silent unless its contaminated with oil).Magura disks don't even come with a sintered pad option AFAIK as they reckon organic are the way to go (With mineral oil's lower boiling point compared to DOT 5.1, better insulating brake pads will reduce the likelihood of brake fluid boiling, so that might be part of their reasoning too (Shimano are also mineral oil though)... This is all monumentally irrelevant for trials of course as the disks never see that kind of heat ).Your the efin man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Organic. Sintered help remove heat, but you don't need that in trials - goes twice seeing as though you're using a cable and heating up the fluid isn't going to be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumplestiltskin Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Na.No, really, just buy another Hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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