trials_pimp Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Been a while since I have been on here, anyway, I have got myself an echo SL rim brake, and I do really rate it, theres just 1 thing that bothers me. It seems to creep. The more I ride, the more I have to adjust the pads in. Its nothing stupid like a leak, loose bolts ect. I have a feeling its the adjuster winding off. Does anyone else have this problem? I mean other that this its a fantastic brake, and id hate to have to loose it due to this. Also has anyone tried them with water yet? Do the work as well as Hs33's with water? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 I have one. I ran it with a magura piston as the Echo one caused it to leak. I found it harder to get a decent bleed with, and I didnt like the way you use a grub screw to hold the lever into the brake body. It felt the same as a magura, and it still slowly leaked. Wind your TPA all the way off, reset your brake with the pads nearer the rim and ride. If the lever still works its way closer to the bar, it's leaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Take the echo slaves off and stick some magura slaves on and it will be great, I loved mine when I had it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny00135 Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 sometimes if the break hasn't been bled properly and there is still a little bit of air in there, the air bubbles move towards the lever giving the feeling as if it is leaking, re bleed it abd if it keeps doing it then you will probably have a leak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 I have this problem with my RB lever (similar to echo TR) Doesn't bother me too much, i know my brake doesn't leak, but i guess some threadlock should do the trick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 The TPA has a tendency to screw out. You'd best undo it completely and then set the brake up so the TPA needn't be used. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials_pimp Posted December 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 yea I Gathered it would be the TPA. I know its definatly not leaking, and its on a factory bleed, so shoulnt be that. Might try and get a lock nut on the tpa and see if it helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Might try and get a lock nut on the tpa and see if it helps. No need, just undo the tpa and don't use it. I had the same problem with the 2011 SL brake, kept screwing it in but at the end of the day it was in the same position as before the ride. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 I am going to go against the grain and say leak. I won't say more, only that you'll be back with more questions once you have the same problem again and you'll see what I have written and think that perhaps I am not just an idiot. If not, I have just proved that I am indeed an idiot which I am willing to accept because I have suspected it for some time now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iman-k Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Hi Friends . i have a ECHO SL Lever + Echo TR Slave Cylinder 2011 , i have the Similar problem and i think my brake leak, it will be better If i Bleed with water ? i bleeding it with dot 4 oil . what should i do? sorry for my bad english Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Hi Friends . i have a ECHO SL Lever + Echo TR Slave Cylinder 2011 , i have the Similar problem and i think my brake leak, it will be better If i Bleed with water ? i bleeding it with dot 4 oil . what should i do? sorry for my bad english Wrong fluid for the brake. Echo/ Magura brakes are meant to be bled with mineral oil, not synthetic DOT fluids. Chances are your seals are ruined as a result of contacting the DOT fluid, and it's now leaking. New O-ring for your lever piston, and new slave cylinders, bled with magura royal blood with sort it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iman-k Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Wrong fluid for the brake. Echo/ Magura brakes are meant to be bled with mineral oil, not synthetic DOT fluids. Chances are your seals are ruined as a result of contacting the DOT fluid, and it's now leaking. New O-ring for your lever piston, and new slave cylinders, bled with magura royal blood with sort it. Thanks for your help but i can't buy new slave cylinders and magura blood in Iran it will be wrong if i bleed with water? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Thanks for your help but i can't buy new slave cylinders and magura blood in Iran it will be wrong if i bleed with water? You can try with water, but I would say the damage has already been done. Might have to track down some slaves if you can. All I can suggest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iman-k Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 OK i find Shimano Disk brake mineral oil here , theres a problem to bleed with shimano mineral oil ? i opened my lever and cleaned all parts of lever , is a way to open the cylinders and clean them? Thanks again for helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 OK i find Shimano Disk brake mineral oil here , theres a problem to bleed with shimano mineral oil ? i opened my lever and cleaned all parts of lever , is a way to open the cylinders and clean them? Thanks again for helps Should be no problem bleeding it with shimano oil And you cant disassemble slaves. Bleed the brake up and hope it works 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEZ Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 ive got the sl brake and i love it , the slaves are short so i dont catch my feet and i think it looks pukka and works well with a water bleed ...BUT it does leak every sorta 2 rides i just top it up with water tend to just tap the lever and get a few air bubles out , is there anywhere i can buy news seals for the body or does the sl not work well with a water bleed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwenGawz Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 mathias mrohs uses it on the back. He is the best 20 inch german rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrialsIsHard Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 I have an SL but haven't yet fitted it, should I avoid water bleeds? sounds like they don't handle them too well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 I'm pretty sure it's the slaves that don't like the water, I had a water bleed on mine with echo slaves and it was crap so swapped them for some magura slaves and was brilliant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 mathias mrohs uses it on the back. He is the best 20 inch german rider. Crikey he's well short! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrialsIsHard Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 I'm pretty sure it's the slaves that don't like the water, I had a water bleed on mine with echo slaves and it was crap so swapped them for some magura slaves and was brilliant! Oh that's good then, mine's already on magura slaves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials_pimp Posted January 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 I have heard alot of people using the magura slaves. I do want to try and stick with the echo slaves, as they offer me better heel clearance. Ill have another look for a leak, and maybe try a fresh bleed. Will be a shame to get rid of it, as it is a nice brake. But if all else fails Ill go back to my magura. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 I've got the Echo SL 2010 lever hooked up to some Magura slaves, this one: and I find the exact same thing. It's had two bleeds in about 4 months and I can't find any leaks. I find myself adjusting the brake every ride to compensate, but I've never got close to bottoming the TPA out. Very odd. Slightly off topic but does anyone know where I can get another of these levers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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