sharn Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 Hey guys, looking for some help here. I’m looking to know what frames ever had geometry close to this: 1090/1100, 380-385, +20/25 , 72 h/a im interested to try something along these lines. I’ve tried some of the latest bikes with super short back ends and high bbs and it’s hilarious how I literally can’t ride them. I’m also 6ft 5 which also makes reach an issue. I feel something like I’ve described might suit me.. any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 I might be having a brain-fart here, but aren't you describing a T-Rex? The "newer" black/silver type - not the blue/silver one. Failing that, Czar or Adamant in long from various years (06-09 region, at a guess?) might hover around those kind of numbers. Adamant might be a bit higher, but they were all sooo long. Only listing frames you have a realistic chance of finding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharn Posted February 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 Cheers flip! Haha really? Who’d of thought it! The t-Rex was a kind of coustellier replica I remember at the time? My friend had one and actually did make huge improvements on that bike at the time. After having the other trex .. which was awful! If I remember they were also quite heavy?! So my next question would then be.. which of the mentioned frames were reasonably light? I know frames from this era were generally ‘overbuilt’ but which ones were more abit weight conscious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharn Posted February 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 Also, out of interest which would be the rare birds of this category? You never know one could always get lucky as they say! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, sharn said: Cheers flip! Haha really? Who’d of thought it! The t-Rex was a kind of coustellier replica I remember at the time? My friend had one and actually did make huge improvements on that bike at the time. After having the other trex .. which was awful! If I remember they were also quite heavy?! So my next question would then be.. which of the mentioned frames were reasonably light? I know frames from this era were generally ‘overbuilt’ but which ones were more abit weight conscious? Of the ones I mentioned, none If you want one at a reasonable weight, I wish you the best of luck finding a Coust V2 🙄 Edit: The rare ones I think would be things like Aorta, KOT, at a guess I would say some of the older Koxx frames, and I have a feeling the Magellan Tucana was pretty close. Edit2: And the older Pitbulls, obviously. Edited February 17, 2023 by aener Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterH Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 I don't know the exact numbers off hand, but feel like a Meta might fit this as well. You might be able to fine one in North America still, they were pretty darn solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharn Posted February 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 Cheers flip! Some of those if never even heard of.. some, like koxx and zoos, echos came in so many models with changing geometry each year I don’t know where to start looking. Is there any kind of legendary archive that I can refer too anywhere? i vaguely remember the meta! Did it havd A kind of primary blue colour with a huge graphic? Issue being if most are in America I’d end up paying in shipping half of what I’m hoping to pay for a frame?! But it’d be nice to see some footage of one being ridden? Im feeling like the mbk evo2 looks like it has a huge reach with a steep h/a? Anybody know the bb rise and c/s length? i suppose this will eventually turn into a ‘wanted’ thread, but for know I’m trying to find out what to want! cheers for all help chaps, ‘preciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharn Posted February 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 Found the meta, vvt2? Bb seems quite high, looks almost like a gu typhoon? which I’ve had recently and couldn’t really get on with the high b.b, not sure on c/s length on the gu but i just felt I couldn’t get the timing right to get power behind things. Though I did a decent side hop on it, by my standards anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterH Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, sharn said: i vaguely remember the meta! Did it havd A kind of primary blue colour with a huge graphic? Issue being if most are in America I’d end up paying in shipping half of what I’m hoping to pay for a frame?! But it’d be nice to see some footage of one being ridden? Here's some old footage of me on a blue one, they came in other colors as well. I don't remember the BB being that high, because I struggle falling off the back on high BB bikes and it looks like I am not doing that here. I just remember the overall wheelbase being too long for me but I still managed to do decent stuff on it. Edited February 17, 2023 by PeterH poor quoting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Bourde Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 2 hours ago, sharn said: Cheers flip! Some of those if never even heard of.. some, like koxx and zoos, echos came in so many models with changing geometry each year I don’t know where to start looking. Is there any kind of legendary archive that I can refer too anywhere? i vaguely remember the meta! Did it havd A kind of primary blue colour with a huge graphic? Issue being if most are in America I’d end up paying in shipping half of what I’m hoping to pay for a frame?! But it’d be nice to see some footage of one being ridden? Im feeling like the mbk evo2 looks like it has a huge reach with a steep h/a? Anybody know the bb rise and c/s length? i suppose this will eventually turn into a ‘wanted’ thread, but for know I’m trying to find out what to want! cheers for all help chaps, ‘preciated The MBK T1000 is around 1080mm, 385mm and +30mm Evo2 was 1080 mm, 380 mm, +40mm, 71.5° (Geometry from the manufacturer) Koxx XTP long? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharn Posted February 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 Peter, that was some great riding! You still at it? Thanks for sharing that, the bike does look nice and as you say it doesn’t look particularly high bb. I know what you mean about falling off the back, it’s as if the whole wheel is underneath you and not enough of the wheel behind you. I suppose that’s why they call them pogo sticks?! I guess it’s the combination of high bbs and super short stays. Can’t seem to find info on the metas geometry? i kind of missed out on riding this generation of bikes as I was riding 24s and then ended up full time bmx for quite a few years. but I’m determined to do some ‘pure’ trials, arguably for the first time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharn Posted February 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 La bourde, thanks .. I’ll look into the xtp! The mbk have already caught my eye and there’s one for sale not too far from me I may go have a closer look at! The evo2 is a nice looking bike! anyone know the geo of the atomz akt2 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterH Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, sharn said: Peter, that was some great riding! You still at it? Thanks for sharing that, the bike does look nice and as you say it doesn’t look particularly high bb. I know what you mean about falling off the back, it’s as if the whole wheel is underneath you and not enough of the wheel behind you. I suppose that’s why they call them pogo sticks?! I guess it’s the combination of high bbs and super short stays. Can’t seem to find info on the metas geometry? i kind of missed out on riding this generation of bikes as I was riding 24s and then ended up full time bmx for quite a few years. but I’m determined to do some ‘pure’ trials, arguably for the first time! Here's the previous video (where I look less great on the Meta, but also has just a tiny bit of bmx in at the end). I am indeed still at it, you can see my other videos on there as well, got my first higher BB 26" (blue Gu) a few years back and struggled with it bit did some big things. Its even harder for me on mod, but that is what I ride most these days, loved my long Koxx Kloud (that I bought back as a backup bike now) with 1020 wb and a low BB. Just got a new Jistie stock, still figuring it out, but its fun to ride many different bikes and feel the strengths and weaknesses of each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The dab Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 How about the 2009 echo frame? €189 for a new frames not bad either! few old echo controls frames on eBay too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYAKOV Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) I remember that old BT Raven frames came with 1100wb but they seemed to be quite fragile.. Also adamant A2 had 1100wb and were solid as a trials frame can be but a bit on the heavy side (there’s currently a full adamant A2 selling on Facebook). They’d have a higher bb rise though. I can’t really think of a long trials frame with low bb… Edited February 18, 2023 by DYAKOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Bourde Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, sharn said: La bourde, thanks .. I’ll look into the xtp! The mbk have already caught my eye and there’s one for sale not too far from me I may go have a closer look at! The evo2 is a nice looking bike! anyone know the geo of the atomz akt2 ? The Atomz Atk II was available in: short: 1075mm 380mm +35mm 71,5° long: 1085mm 380mm +35mm 71,5° I would like to find a short one. It was a really nice bike. There was two versions, the first one had an external headset and the later one a semi-integrated one. Atomz Quark II was available in 3 sizes: S: 1075mm 380mm +45mm 72° M: 1085mm 380mm +50mm 72° L: 1095mm 380mm +55mm 72° I rode a L one after coming back from street trial and the difference was quite huge. It was really light, quite rigid, easy to dent but somehow it seems to be quite reliable. Then I went for a Crewkerz Cleep2, it feels even more weird first, but now I love this bike so much. I had to change my riding for sure. It is really stiff and works so well on sidehops. Edited February 18, 2023 by La Bourde Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharn Posted February 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 Nice one guys, this gives me some ideas of what to look for. With zoos and echos seem like I need to know specific years as sometimes people describe it just by the model name in listing. The dab.. I saw that 09 echo and saw it was in stock but wasn’t sure if they’d ship to uk and how much it cost.. so out of curiosity I went to proceed with a pretend purchase and unless I was mistaken there was no option for uk?! Every other country in the world but u.k?! I looked for England and Great Britain but couldn’t seem to find either? Anyone able to tell me otherwise? That does seem like quite a good deal on a new frame! dyskov, nice one I’ll check it out. 👍🏼 La bourde, those akt2 s do look nice! I think all atomz look really good and the fact it was in Co with sunn is kinda cool to me. cheers guys, all input appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLIW Posted February 19, 2023 Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 I’ll measure it this morning for you. I think the stem could be changed to improve and maybe the angle of the bars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Bourde Posted February 19, 2023 Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 The MBK T1000 geometry was around 1080, 385 and +30, according to some old web pages. To me, the AKT 2 is a little better with its less exposed chain tensioner and its through rear axle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) Another one you probably won't find but just in case it pops up: Neon Bow was pretty close. 1090/+30/72. Edit: Also just realised - Yaabaa 1499 was 1080/+30/380. Edited February 20, 2023 by aener Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharn Posted February 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 Any opinions on what would be the best combination of strength and weight of this type and era of bike? Also, anyone ever seen this t-rex before?! Seems to have the downtube of the ones limey?! .. https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2150421698480048/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwtrials Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 Did you do a good sweep of UK ebay? There's a few pitbulls, and a handful of other bikes of the right era to be close to what you're looking for if you can get the sellers to confirm the geometry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Bourde Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 On 2/20/2023 at 2:52 PM, sharn said: Any opinions on what would be the best combination of strength and weight of this type and era of bike? Also, anyone ever seen this t-rex before?! Seems to have the downtube of the ones limey?! .. https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2150421698480048/ The Atomz AKT had a really good call in France. Quite light, stiff and strong. But French people might be too patriotic. Crewkerz, who is the reincarnation of Atomz has also a good call, at least for the Cleeps (I saw some cracked Jealousy frames). I think some frames of the Echo/Deng production were quite strong, but heavier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLIW Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 Wheel base and bb height. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharn Posted February 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2023 Hey Peter, Not sure if you got my text? Up for meeting up one weekend? Cheers for the pics, would be cool to try that bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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