Danny Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 but again the cassette - silly - it wont work ← But if you look its only the cogs that never get used. Its only to pass the rules :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picki Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 looks super...disc is a real good idea, organic pads does that mean they aint genetically modded?? the disc if probs. a bit on the brittle side, but if hes real good he wont knock it. 46g for a disc, mucho weight save Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hititfaster Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 But if you look its only the cogs that never get used. Its only to pass the rules :ermm: ← Thats right - they were made by Whitehurst a few years ago as I remember. £90 or something silly too :blink: As for this: I think it looks fake, personally. I'm not sure what it is, but it just looks wrong. I don't think you could make CF matting (which is what is used when you see the weave pattern) into a shape like that. Unless it has just been wrapped over the top of the original Magura part. Which would just make the bloke a CF tart :wub: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan@Trials-uk Posted March 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 Thats right - they were made by Whitehurst a few years ago as I remember. £90 or something silly too :blink: As for this: I think it looks fake, personally. I'm not sure what it is, but it just looks wrong. I don't think you could make CF matting (which is what is used when you see the weave pattern) into a shape like that. Unless it has just been wrapped over the top of the original Magura part. Which would just make the bloke a CF tart :wub: ← Its a carbon firbre cap, that you just simply clip on(Y) :ermm: well, thats what I read on page 1 lol. Regards Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartridge Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 the hs33 slave cylinder caps are very nice, only a few grams but the cylinders will look like new from year to year. normally your shoes wear the paint of them. i have them on my coustellier. ← :blink:" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 The spacers and cassette look pimp, as do the HS33 caps. I wouldn't trust those forks at all! Or that rotor for that matter, but then again i've never tried it and could be the most awesome thing EVAR. Stem cap looks pretty poor to be honest, looks really cheap. P.S: Brembo brakes = Da best!!111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Drewery Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 Im sure those parts work very well, but they look awful in my opinion, except for the cassette spacers and sprockets which look mint :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trials tom_s Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 Sorry if sumones already said this..i cudnt be asked to read the whole post!!! i dont know of any cars that use carbon discs!!! i think u'll find that is a comment that has been made by a misunderstanding.. carbon disc (rotors) not as far as i know... carbon pads yes!! WRC, F1, racing ferrari's and porsches etc.. all use ceramic discs... and yes when u give it sum they glow like molten lava!! cool!!! corish...u were rite carbon and carbon fibre arnt the same thing at all!!! carbon gets used as slang for cabon fibre... carbon is just an element found in coal and carbon dioxide etc etc.. carbon fibre is a material manufacture using a weeve of the processed carbon element and another material.... mainly a material know as kevalar.... carbon kevalar is often used on bikes and cars...] eg.. race bike like carl fogarty's WRC cars (especially there interiors) and many other places. in theory a brakes is as good as the friction genearted by to materials etc and the running temperatures.. carbon takes alot to heat up..hence why motorcycle leathers often have carbon inserts etc.... but as far as friction for brakes.... i was led to believe it was wank... hence why racing teams use ceramic!! there you go... todays lesson for corish and the likes!! Tom :blink: big up corrrrriiissshh!!! :ermm: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Tupman Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 there you go... todays lesson for corish and the likes!! Tom :ermm: big up corrrrriiissshh!!! :o ← Unfortunatly not all of it is right though :) I am 100% certain F1 cars run carbon discs because when I went to GP at Silverston I saw them :blink: There are many types of Carbon so just saying it's slag is not completly accurate The reason they use carbon discs is because they lose heat very quickly this makes them great breaks under heavy continued breaking Canbon Fibre is also very durable aslong as the friction/wear is in the direction of the weave so thats why they are used in motorbike leathers not because they don't heat up easyly (Y) thats my 2 cents :wub: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Make Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 This carbon Hi-Fi'st Mika Mäkinen makes all the parts by himself. That cf rotor is yet only at it's prototype stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trials tom_s Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 (edited) sorry xdream.... you wrong buddy.. use to work in george whites motorcycle shop... was a specialist in carbon fibre. i also have a rally car..ask any of the swindon riders etc. your rite...carbon fibre loses heat very very quickly. and yes there are many many types of carbon..because u can weeve it with alot of different materials etc.. but carbon's also very brittle... depending obviously on what its weeved with...u can often crack it easily etc... hence why theat bikes disc wud be crap! i been to alot of F1 advents... i use to live rite near silverstone. but hey maybe im wrong...if you know alot about f1 you wud know that a carbon disc wud work better the hotter it got.... so it losing heat quickly wud be a negative point.. how many times u seen a fast cars disc glowing after heavy use...exactly carbon dosnt glow like that.. f1 brakes...work under temperatures of like a 1000 degree or something ridiculaous!! hence why caramic is used... just like cermaic is used for pottery!! lmao!! its almost why turbo chargers like in my escort cossie... use proper racing turbos rebuilt with cermaci ball bearings!! there alot of fake carbon floating about..u need to look carefully at the weeve but general it can be formed in2 most things..like my carbon fibre bucket seats in my car... ohh and think i was rite....carbon is used as slang for carbon fibre... as the word carbon refers to one element. the fibre part of the word refers to the fact carbon fibre is actually a material forum by a weeve with another material element. sorry... fire out..!! :blink: feel free to correct me.. i dont mind being shown up or proved wrong. will even eat humble pie. Tom :ermm: (for those of you that arn't trying to be the guy to show me up... hope i clarified things a bit.. wasnt meant to start people off... as im sure my mates like corish know!... i cud lay it on heavy about carbon but i wud hate to sound like a science lesson! lmao) ps - xdream notice the pic someone added from the gp motobike... its not a cheap bike.. carbon on forks..carbon spokes on wheel etc etc... not a cheap bike!! no carbon disc though..wonder why that is... maybe he run outta money! lol or maybe carbon disc aint such a big thing!!! i'll drop it now. dont wanna flood the thread!! Edited March 4, 2005 by Trials tom_s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b'mouth trials Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 the disc would work as long as it was hot, i think they do it on motorbikes, well i think thats the princerpal :ermm: lol ← Yea they do on Moto gp , I would of thought it would work really well. I love carbon :"> . I want as much of it on my bike as I can, maybe pass on the forks and stem though :blink: lol. Aaron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punkrider Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 I like that single speed kit :blink: Can you buy these parts anywhere? Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Make Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 I like that single speed kit :blink: Can you buy these parts anywhere? Adam ← Yes he is madeing/selling them for order but I'm not sure if he would send them aboard. (He is from Finland) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punkrider Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 Yes he is madeing/selling them for order but I'm not sure if he would send them aboard. (He is from Finland) ← oh, thanks :blink: Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janson Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 I see you stumbled upon some stuff off Mika Mäkinen.. He made my carbon fibre seat for me, aswell as a carbon fibre topcap. The cap on the picture up there clips around the normal aluminium topcap, so you can use regulars, not crappy wedge headlocks etc. Works a charm. Mika is very good with CF and composites. A few riders over here tried CF discs. They shattered, 'cos they were shoddily made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corish Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 (edited) sorry xdream.... you wrong buddy.. use to work in george whites motorcycle shop... was a specialist in carbon fibre. i also have a rally car..ask any of the swindon riders etc. your rite...carbon fibre loses heat very very quickly. and yes there are many many types of carbon..because u can weeve it with alot of different materials etc.. but carbon's also very brittle... depending obviously on what its weeved with...u can often crack it easily etc... hence why theat bikes disc wud be crap! i been to alot of F1 advents... i use to live rite near silverstone. but hey maybe im wrong...if you know alot about f1 you wud know that a carbon disc wud work better the hotter it got.... so it losing heat quickly wud be a negative point.. how many times u seen a fast cars disc glowing after heavy use...exactly carbon dosnt glow like that.. f1 brakes...work under temperatures of like a 1000 degree or something ridiculaous!! hence why caramic is used... just like cermaic is used for pottery!! lmao!! its almost why turbo chargers like in my escort cossie... use proper racing turbos rebuilt with cermaci ball bearings!! there alot of fake carbon floating about..u need to look carefully at the weeve but general it can be formed in2 most things..like my carbon fibre bucket seats in my car... ohh and think i was rite....carbon is used as slang for carbon fibre... as the word carbon refers to one element. the fibre part of the word refers to the fact carbon fibre is actually a material forum by a weeve with another material element. sorry... fire out..!! :blink: feel free to correct me.. i dont mind being shown up or proved wrong. will even eat humble pie. Tom :wub: (for those of you that arn't trying to be the guy to show me up... hope i clarified things a bit.. wasnt meant to start people off... as im sure my mates like corish know!... i cud lay it on heavy about carbon but i wud hate to sound like a science lesson! lmao) ps - xdream notice the pic someone added from the gp motobike... its not a cheap bike.. carbon on forks..carbon spokes on wheel etc etc... not a cheap bike!! no carbon disc though..wonder why that is... maybe he run outta money! lol or maybe carbon disc aint such a big thing!!! i'll drop it now. dont wanna flood the thread!! ← Tom, fancy picking me up tomorrow :ermm:" Edited March 4, 2005 by Corish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trials tom_s Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 I'll take you out for a spin sometime corish. its still at home down south with my parents at the moment as i dont have a garage at my flat up here. .. but as soon as i locate somewhere descent to keep it...i'll bring it up. i'll prob have it up around summer to compete in advents like... santa pod. the run what you brung ..drag strip!! its only 300bhp but shud set a pretty good 1/4 mile time. i been building it for the past 2 years....has taken alot of money, blood, sweat and tears. For time being im gonna concentrate on my riding and bike... i need to get good by summer!! mission impossible!! :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OD404 Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 With regrads the F1 brake discussion.... In one area Formula One brakes are empirically more advanced than road-car systems: materials. All the cars on the grid now use carbon fibre composite brake discs which save weight and are able to operate at higher temperatures than steel discs. A typical Formula One brake disc weighs about 1.5 kg (versus 3.0 kg for the similar sized steel discs used in the American CART series). These are gripped by special compound brake pads and are capable of running at vast temperatures – anything up to 750 degrees Celsius. Previously different sized discs would be used for qualifying and racing, but the 2003 changes to the rules means that all cars enter parc ferme after qualifying - and so therefore set their one-lap time on their race brakes. Also the assumption that anything made from cf will shatter is not strictly true. Yes if they are subject to forces other than those which they were designed for, they will fail (the brittleness of the material account for the shattering). Cf is very strong under tensile and compressive loads, but will break when subjected to bending. If a cf part is properly designed with respect to is geometry and the direction of the weave, bending can be minimised (and in an ideal situation, eliminated), leaving only tensile and compressive forces. This leaves us with a very strong part. In respect to brake discs, the majority of forces within the material itself should be compressive or tensile (I've got a CAD/FEA model that proves this) as a result of the torsional loading they experience. They will only undergo bending if the position of the caliper changes. Hence I don't see a problem with cf disc brakes for motorsport, though for trials, where we have all boshed a disc on a rock, they may not be best suited. Operating temperatures are also an issue with trials. All this comes from my own knowledge and experience, so I welcome any corrections (as long as they are well informed), it's all part of the learning experience :( EDIT: Just found this which explains how the discs are made (using carbon fibres, but not in the usual sense). These brakes are extremely expensive as they are made from hi-tech carbon materials (long chain carbon, as in carbon fibre) and they can take up to 5 months to produce a single brake disk. The first stage in making a disc is to heat white polyacrylo nitrile (PAN) fibres until they turn black. This makes them pre-oxidised, and are arranged in layers similar to felt. They are then cut into shape and carbonised to obtain very pure carbon fibres. Next, they undergo two densification heat cycles at around 1000 degrees Celsius. These stages last hundreds of hours, during which a hydrocarbon-rich gas in injected into the oven or furnace. This helps the layers of felt-like material to fuse together and form a solid material. The finished disc is then machined to size ready for installing onto the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trials Tom Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 (edited) I want and I want! Mika Mäkinen makes these? Wow! How could they be brought into the UK? Edited March 5, 2005 by Trials Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecatracingcat Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 That disc won't last long. corish ← Yeah they used carbon discs on motor bikes and F1, but it's gotta be red hot, special pads too which I'm sure aren't avalible for martas. I'd want to check the carbon fork at least each ride :(" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun H Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 i'll prob have it up around summer to compete in advents like... santa pod. the run what you brung ..drag strip!! its only 300bhp but shud set a pretty good 1/4 mile time. ← Fancy a race? :( 8.67 @ 168mph 1/4 mile and that was with the smaller engine :) , my dad's taken it over America atm though for the World Street Race WSR site wish I could go :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vox Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 looks like cheap handmade rotor... I don't like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
011001000110010101110010 Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Dougie Lampkin did some testing with carbon discs at last years out door world's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pork Pie Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 (edited) Mika is willing to sell to us Brits :) I only got two prices, which I think will probably be the most popular, so: Magura covers are 10€, and S/s spacer kits are 15€ (both sides). You have to measure what sizes you want yourself, and he'll whack you up a set. He's able to make them to 0.1mm tolerances. And about the brake rotor, "the brake feeling was too sticky and there was no modulation when braking. " "It was practically an on/off brake. Steel is better, but carbon is better looking :)" Edited March 6, 2005 by Dave Gill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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