Littleharrys Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 Martin Hawyes has been signed by Diamondback which is owned by Raleigh. Seems like a random move? They already have a mod and a stock bike out already. http://www.diamondback.co.uk/trials/index.html It looks a bit rubbish. See what you think. Harry (Msn) Littleharrys@hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 Wow, a mod that's ALMOST ugly enough to rival the Saracen 20"er... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Nichols Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 The diamondback has been out for quite a while now. There are riders on here who use them... and some are actually very good riders. As for the move... it's a way of Martin being able to design his own bike pretty much - Diamondback are really pushing for top riders at the moment (as are mongoose). Just because it's Raleigh doesn't mean it's shit... I'm not sure if you're aware, but Raleigh used to have some dogs bollocks bikes back in the day (titanium Mtrax series etc) and they are also very big in America with kickass xc, dh and road bikes. It's only over here that they release poor bikes for the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 Doesnt Ian Drummond (I think thats his name) ride for DB, and has been riding for them for about.... ages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Nichols Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 I couldn't remember the name so I didnt mention it... but yeah, I'm sure thats the one :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant_ride Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 anyone remember Ian Cooper back in the raleigh trials days ? I sold a load of those DB mods when i worked in the bike shop... Had a little hop around ... surprisingly they dont ride that bad. Their design is very dated but for a beginner theyre awesome. Only problem is the pointlessness of a bash plate and a bash guard plus the fact that it has both wheels 20" rather than the normal 20 and 19" makes it feel odd. oli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Nichols Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 It is an entry level bike though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Limburn Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 Wow, a mod that's ALMOST ugly enough to rival the Saracen 20"er... ← this is just how similar they really are! *# this picture was posted by 'simon' when the saracen and diamondback first came out somewhen last year #* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Limburn Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 Only problem is the pointlessness of a bash plate and a bash guard plus the fact that it has both wheels 20" rather than the normal 20 and 19" makes it feel odd. oli ← it doesn't really make it feel 'odd' because the only difference with a smaller 19" rim is that you have a taller tyre, so the wheel still becomes 20" diameter. it just means that you have the disadvantage of not being able to run as fat tyres on a 20" rim, whereas on a 19" rim you can fit some mahoosive tyres on. i feel this because i made the switch from a t-vee (with 20" back wheel) to a t-pro (with 19" back wheel) and there was not really a different feel from the wheel department - they just rode differently because of the geometry etc. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant_ride Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 it doesn't really make it feel 'odd' because the only difference with a smaller 19" rim is that you have a taller tyre, so the wheel still becomes 20" diameter. it just means that you have the disadvantage of not being able to run as fat tyres on a 20" rim, whereas on a 19" rim you can fit some mahoosive tyres on. i feel this because i made the switch from a t-vee (with 20" back wheel) to a t-pro (with 19" back wheel) and there was not really a different feel from the wheel department - they just rode differently because of the geometry etc. Tom ← I'm sure you're a very clever lad but I know it feels weird because ive ridden one extensively .... theres something about it having the larger rim that's different ... dont care how much anyone says it "shouldnt" .... because it does ive been riding a LONG time on a lot of different bikes and i notice these things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Limburn Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 I'm sure you're a very clever lad but I know it feels weird because ive ridden one extensively .... theres something about it having the larger rim that's different ... dont care how much anyone says it "shouldnt" .... because it does ← fair enough i suppose that the bigger rims means you cannot get as much rim width, and therefore less tyre profile meaning that it could feel weird. when i say i know because i went from a t-vee to a t-pro, i suppose it may not have felt so weird because i was learning techniques on the t-vee, and developing them on the t-pro, so i may not have really noticed much difference. however i do know that the t-pro sits nicer on the back wheel, but this too could be due to the fact that i was better on the t-pro. like i say, fair enough all to their own! Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant_ride Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 fair enough i suppose that the bigger rims means you cannot get as much rim width, and therefore less tyre profile meaning that it could feel weird. when i say i know because i went from a t-vee to a t-pro, i suppose it may not have felt so weird because i was learning techniques on the t-vee, and developing them on the t-pro, so i may not have really noticed much difference. however i do know that the t-pro sits nicer on the back wheel, but this too could be due to the fact that i was better on the t-pro. like i say, fair enough all to their own! Tom ← haha i hate 20" full stop... whether they have 19 or 20... feel weird or not... just cant stand em' oli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials_pimp Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 the 26" was designed by Ian Drummond about 3 years ago, and has been on sale for about 2. The 20" has been out for the same amount of time. Ian Drumond doenst ride For Diamondback anymore. Im not to sure what he is doing. Those 2 bikes are now being bought out as Univegas, which are also owned by Raleigh. Univega also have a better mod, that look alot like the montys. Hawyes is yet to design a bike for Db, and is currently riding a Koxx Kenny Belaby Signature frame, painted in team Db colours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe b Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 Both are just gash. And both should be burnt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomN Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 To be fair I think the DB mod looks better then the Saracen mod, also it looks like a Brisa to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilite Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 (edited) this is just how similar they really are! *# this picture was posted by 'simon' when the saracen and diamondback first came out somewhen last year #* ← Hehe, very good. Looks rather suspicious, but I bet a lot of similarish popular frames would match up similarly. Bottom end bikes don't have much scope for originality so tend to stick with tried and tested methods. Still an interesting comparison. Doesn't it defy the point a little of a company having pro riders riding for them, and using custom designed frames, unavailable to everyone else, made fora bout ten times the cost of the market frames? Doesn't benefit their building reputation all that much. Especially when it's a well known fact Hawyes is riding a Koxx. Edited April 17, 2005 by Twilite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewholdsworth Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 hawyzee signing for DB, could well be due to money???? thos ebikes have been about for ages u should see them in the flesh, even worse than the pics the top tube is really thin from the side but u could iron on it, its that wide looking down on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanRs Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 That DB Mod looks like one of there cheap'ey DB BMXs with the Wrong handlebars and stem on them!! :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE-0 Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 They're both crap if you ask me and the only person ive seen ride 1 is Jonny Jones (26" frame). :P That top tube soo HUGE!! About 3" wide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAMWELL Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 Ian Drummonds been riding them for a couple years now, hes real good... jonnys got ians old frame. i made a demo at my halfords and ian came down to do it, so we got one of the 26inch bikes for sale and it went within a week or 2. to be honest, its indestructable but its the worst bike ive ever ridden. soo heavy, geo feels like ur too far forward... the standard models arent any good. almost impossible to backhop smoothly, hs11s and fuel rods which flex more than silly string :P but as i said, they are pritty indestructable - you can tell itll take a beating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifty pence Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 To be fair I think the DB mod looks better then the Saracen mod, also it looks like a Brisa to me. ← I love the Diamondback 20 i own one of them and it is great i spend most of time polishing it, i saved up and bought one and it has helped me loads as i think that is a great starter bike :P as for the fact of martin riding for them i think that he is to old and is all washed up really i think that he should step down and let some other younger riders into the lime light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Bleech Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 anyone remember Ian Cooper back in the raleigh trials days ? oli ← sure do (Y) mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifty pence Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 sure do (Y) mike ← He used to be on the raleigh poster i got 1 of them free in mbuk ages ago.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukeee Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 anyone remember Ian Cooper back in the raleigh trials days ? ← Yeah the Titanium frames Raleigh had made for him are rather tasty. My mate owns two out of the 3 Ian had. Ian Cooper was a pretty f-ucking good rider at one point. I'm Sure Phill Willams can tell us more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SQuiT-man Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Those 2 bikes are now being bought out as Univegas, which are also owned by Raleigh. Univega also have a better mod, that look alot like the montys. ← Wow, you learn a thing every day. I used to have a univega mountainbike, I loved it to bits, but I never knew they made trials bikes, although in a film on www.eengoedidee.nl called bs_style (which is a very good video of angry mod riding by the way, you should all get it), i could have sworn that near the beginning when the bike rides past the camera it says "univega on it", but just dismissed the thought thinking it was a monty. But now you say that, I went and checked the video, and there you have it, a Univega mod being ridden insanely well. Anyone else rode one? And what are prices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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