hugh_b Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Hey guys, i'm probably gona get moaned at for posting this but... Dont you thinki it's silly to still have the 6 working gear rule at BIU events? They want more riders to ride comps but most 26" are running single speed setups. I think UCI rules are now allowing single speed. I dont think the 26" riders change gear at comps anyway, ad it doesnt give any advantage not to have them apart from it's one thing less to break. I have seen with my own eyes the likes of hermance get their bikes scrutineered at a BIU world round then straight after cable tie their rear mechs up so the gears dont actually work! I think we should make it known that gears are pointless and hopefully have the rule changed.-Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paolo Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 I think comps should have very very small limits that have to do with costs. Bike trials is still a young sport, too young to start imposing rules as to how a bike should be, it's hurting it's evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Too true, why does it matter whether you have gears or not anyway? What is the point in stopping people riding because they run gears? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Pretty sure its been changed in Spain already, so I'd imagine a lot of other countries to follow soon.Its all because of keeping stock and mod separated properly. Gears are one way to keep a 'stock' as close to a stock mountain bike while not really holding you back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robster Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Too true, why does it matter whether you have gears or not anyway? What is the point in stopping people riding because they run gears?It is because stock has evolved from mountain bikes. Rules are rules. You can ride but you won't score any points thats all. I think you can ride your propper class at these events, if not you will have to ride open class, so it won't stop you competing, however if you are serious about winning then you will have already resigned yourselves that these are the rules. Many people practice with single speed but then add gears for comps.I can't see what the fuss is about. All sport has rules witch if not addheared to usually end up in disqualification or some form of pennalty.Trials is about rider and bike set up and preperation. fail to prepare.....prepare to fail.Rant overSee you all at the British rounds this year WITH working gears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatsink Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 This rule is a farce, with it being not inforced in many events and then inforced in others causing winning riders to be disqualified.Sounds like it's rightfully on the way out!Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Cable Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 I personally do not ride comps, but this is the only thing thats putting me off. I cant be bothered to put gears on for a comp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisRider Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 I personally do not ride comps, but this is the only thing thats putting me off. I cant be bothered to put gears on for a comp.we should ride comps, it'd be fun-apparently they hold some comps at darsham, or used to anywayand i could run gears cos i have spare crap, but you cant lee, cos you have a rear freewheel looooserrrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Cable Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 we should ride comps, it'd be fun-apparently they hold some comps at darsham, or used to anywayand i could run gears cos i have spare crap, but you cant lee, cos you have a rear freewheel looooserrrrMeh, ill just get a pro2 then, im up for it, i just cba to get gears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robster Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 If people can't be bothered to put gears on thier bikes what chance of taking British championship rounds seriously have they got. If you are passionate about your sport you have to abide by the rules. It is a simple as that. What is the hardship of gears anyway. Put em on set em up and forget about them.I run em and would not have my bike any other way, and I don't even take part in the British rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Smith Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Spain have seen the way forward and have allowed the use of single speed in their spanish championship! you can see the details in www.biketrial-spain.comthe use of 6 working gears is still needed for the worlds and in other countries including this though.i think it would be better suited following the spanish........ but thats only my oppinion.ash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmike Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Exactly, I'm all for rules, sadly, they're the backbone of society.What I'm not up for is rules that don't make sense, ie gears! I welcome when the change happens that Britain follows suit (note when not if!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Bleech Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 I thought most UK comps weren't fussed about the gear rule, except for British champs. Which still leaves a ton of comps for people to enter...but yeah the gear rule (along with the shoe rule) pretty much sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20inchsuperstar Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 wasnt it that you can ride any comp up to national with a singlespeed?now the age rule for stocks, what a loada crap that one is! if they have changed it then woo you can all point and laugh at me but if not, im still pissed off.what is the minimum age?if the age limit is 14 then oh well, i will stop moaning in april!out with the compulsory gears shiz, its just more to go wrong and ruin a good section.matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the organiser Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 YMSA need i say more our comps follow a UCI format so we welcome single speed 26" ridersYMSA thats all folks Dave B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh_b Posted February 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 yer thats what i'm planning on doing dave, did wana do brits aswell but not alot of point if my points wont count. -Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleee Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Hey guys, i'm probably gona get moaned at for posting this but... Dont you thinki it's silly to still have the 6 working gear rule at BIU events? They want more riders to ride comps but most 26" are running single speed setups. I think UCI rules are now allowing single speed. I dont think the 26" riders change gear at comps anyway, ad it doesnt give any advantage not to have them apart from it's one thing less to break. I have seen with my own eyes the likes of hermance get their bikes scrutineered at a BIU world round then straight after cable tie their rear mechs up so the gears dont actually work! I think we should make it known that gears are pointless and hopefully have the rule changed.-HughThus cheating?'This new rule is ONLY for the Spanish calendar. The rest of the different Biketrial Unions must to decide at their own risk to apply or not the rule. It doesn´t depend of EBU or BIU. It is only a BUE decision.''Seems like it's up to the organiser's to decide what they want.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 It is because stock has evolved from mountain bikes. Rules are rules. Yeah and that's why I think these particular rules shouldn't change. Everything else has evolved but lets keep one part of the bike which can tell a bit of the biketrials history. It's a stock bike, it's how the rules have been since the very beginning so why change them. Meh, I'm a conservative when it comes to this sport. If I were to ride proper UCI/BIU comps, I wouldn't complain about this rule. As long as it applies to everybody, it's fair.Also, for the amount of money people spend on comps, I doubt getting a spare comp-legal rear wheel, sis shifter and mech is a big expense.Some things just shouldn't change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt rushton Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 wasnt it that you can ride any comp up to national with a singlespeed?now the age rule for stocks, what a loada crap that one is! if they have changed it then woo you can all point and laugh at me but if not, im still pissed off.what is the minimum age?if the age limit is 14 then oh well, i will stop moaning in april!out with the compulsory gears shiz, its just more to go wrong and ruin a good section.mattIt is 15. Could anyone tell me.Would i be able to ride a 26" at the british rounds this year in expert? Even though I wasn't 15 at the start of the year. But i will be before the first round. Any help on that will be good ON topic.I think the rule is abit too harsh but it's one of the only things separating stocks from mods now.(and abviously the size)Matt Rushton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the organiser Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 i am shore its 14 and in world biu 14 also Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modman Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Honestly, what would be the point in having having two different types of trial bikes if your just want to make them the same???all thats different about them now is the size of wheel which makes it pointless to run two different categories so thats why im all for keeping the rule as it is, or if anything...scrap the two different categories and design one type of trials bike??? maybe that'd work?? just an idea though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 i am shore its 14 and in world biu 14 also Dave Not sure what the beach has to do with it ......................But its not the date your born on but the year your born in, I'm sure its in your 15th year, so if your 15 on the last day of December in a particular year - your in.Ben. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh_b Posted February 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Honestly, what would be the point in having having two different types of trial bikes if your just want to make them the same???all thats different about them now is the size of wheel which makes it pointless to run two different categories so thats why im all for keeping the rule as it is, or if anything...scrap the two different categories and design one type of trials bike??? maybe that'd work?? just an idea though.I have started this topic about the gear rule only because i feel it's pointless making you have them when no one uses them, the bikes still remain very different. people use different techniques t tackle objects depending on what bike you have. I dont mean on every obstacle because thats clearly not the case, but say for example you have a rock that the 20" riders are sidehopping, the 26" riders may very well come along and tap it. The gears would never be used, why do you think vincent has his gear shifter on the v-racing attatched to the seat tube? I have always followed the rules and we do need them however i feel some are a but silly.-Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rugbyman Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 bit boring to be honest!what next, people can compete without their bike? see who can jump the highest?poor old iolo who makes his own frames and rides them has to compete at british rounds on a production frame (koxx i think). he does so without complaints. get over it people!ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 oh...he complained but there was nothing he could do about it so he got on with it, more reason to get into masters I personally would like to be allowed not to use gears, mainly because its going to be a pain swapping between parts at biu and uci comps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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