24martin

yea i know who tunni and drei are and how they ride etc it seems like the only testing that goes on is very secretive and none of the results from the testing are released, and im pretty sure people would like to know how things went with the tests that they did, rather than the only things that you ever find out about the testing of new parts is just utterly random chinese whispers on random forums!

lolz th@ iz ldz b3ttr m8 im just trying to work out why it is that they can give a decent estimate for the lifespan of almost any component on a motorcycle, probably through extensive and thorough testing! and its the same with every motorcycle.. Every rider has different styles, rides different terrain, has different accidents, different spec and so on.. but yet from my experience, 9 times out of 10 those estimates turn out to be very accurate! which is kind of what i was saying about trials parts in my "essay" on the previous page!.. do trials companies actually test many of the products they send out? i never actually hear any comprehensive reviews about any testing.. infact on the topic of these sl cranks the only things i have heard about them are actually within this topic right here.. and i quote ^^ these quotes actually back up what i said in my "essay" on the previous page! they perfectly sum up what i was getting at about the poor lack of information on most products in the trials world!

good bit of banter that mate! im sorry but posts like this ^^^ should be left for twatter/twitter or myface or whatever its called! your already starting to remind me of this^^ fictional character that i created in my large post from earlier..... looks like that guy wasn't fictional after all!

do you wear a helmet?

still.... i wouldn't let a picture like that put you off buying a pair, if you can afford to replace them every few months before they end up looking like they do in that picture you posted lol! i think most modern, lightweight trials parts are fine if you can afford to replace them frequently enough before they end up failing! it would be awesome if the companys who make these products could somehow work out a way to atleast give you some kind of rough estimation as to how long each part will last before it reaches the end of its working life, and give you some sort of information booklet with the product, pretty much how they do it in the automotive industry, for example.. if you look through the service manual you get with a motocross bike, it will give you an average working life of each component on the bike and how long each part will last before it needs inspecting / servicing / replacing! they can even tell you how long (roughly) your piston will last. which goes up and down a bore at like 99bjillion times a second under extreme heat and load! so yea what im basicly saying is people wouldnt be so skeptical, or worry too much about buying certain parts for there bike if they knew how long each part would last, even a rough guideline would do! heres an example: echo sl forks- please do not purchase these forks if you weigh any more than a packet of rizla and intend on doing more than 2 rolling hooks per year! echo sl headset- please do not purchase this headset if you actually intend on fitting it to a bike because it will develop play immediately if used! tensile 60 click freewheel- please remove this from your bike if you intend on riding it as it is not actually designed for trials use its just an item to temporarily rest your chain on untill you buy a decent freewheel! any disc brake- please do not purchase a disc brake if you havent grasped the concept of basic routine bicycle maintenance and are also unaware of the effects that contamination has on friction! ^^they were obviously all for jokes but here's what i actually meant: tryall karbon handlebars- these handlebars are not designed for riders of (insert number here) kilograms or heavier, and please make sure to replace these handlebars every 12 months if they are used frequently or after heavy impact damage! all im saying is something as simple as that would probably make a lot of people less skeptical about certain parts available these days! because for the most part, its very hard to find any information on trials parts apart from what you read on a forum somewere, like when i bought a set of tryall karbons, the only information i manged to find about them is that either "ive had my karbons for 1000 years now and they are still going strong even after that 500kg grand piano landed on them" or on the other hand you read something like this "fuk crabon fiberrz iz shit m8 i az snpped a set afta 1 blunt init u get me like" so i bought a set anyways with the hope that they would have a nice box with an information leaflet inside giving me some information about them on how well they have been tested etc and what kind of forces the can handle.............. all i got was some handlebars and some bubble wrap.

care to elaborate on this?

that looks so nice how much would it cost to send a frame up to you and have it painted with that stuff?

I had this exact same problem when i built my echo a few weeks ago... looks like yu got all the same parts that i have aswell! all i had to do in the end was turn my rear sprocket around and it worked perfectly, and i still have got a little bit of clearance between the spokes and the chain ) believe me i was so frustrated trying to work it out lol, ever since i turned the sprocket round i havent had a problem since

saw this ad on ebay and thought it looked a bit dodgy! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/24-inch-trial-bike-barely-used-/181129407574?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item2a2c276c56

such a mint bike joe cant wait to see one of your new edits on it it would be pretty cool if you could write up a little review on those forks at some point as they do look quite interesting, will also be quite interesting to see how they hold up to your riding!! what are your overall first impressions of them, do they look and feel well made etc?.... i look forward to seeing how well they hold up after loads of hooks, gaps to front, front hops and big drops

not me obviously, not only could i never, ever afford one but im not really into mods! be interesting to see if they ever bring out a 24 or 26! http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/20_inch_trials_bikes/monty_m5_carbon/c10p12105.html

thats actually a beast of a gap.. i like the look of the rear tire getting nicely squished in the first pic! and no generic comments yet either lol

i love seeing pictures like that after i violated my wallet and bought a set of them like 2 weeks ago :'( does anyone know roughly how heavy the guy is who owns that bike in the picture, and how old the bars are/were?

they probably would feel amazing to me as anything on the front does.... but its constantly in the back of my mind how much stress its putting through the bike dammit i hate my o.c.d / paranoia / mechanical sympathy / general awareness of physics

surely he has to change his forks after every attempt at one of them lol... even gapping to front over like a half a metre gap it still feels like every part on the front end of my bike is going to snap, screw gapping DOWN to front! tunny is such a machine every single line in every video of his is just huge!

some really good pictures there, that gap to front looks huge making me more eager to ride some natural stuff but the weather just aint good enough at the moment! could you not somehow still use those forks with the steerer cut too short? by tapping a thread down into the steerer and run a threaded steerer tube extension or something?

As the topic title says, i basicly want to upgrade to some decent quality v-brake arms and im unsure what to get other than the avid ultimates.... but they arent cheap at £100 a pair ( , so i wandered if any fellow v-brake users might be able to recommend an alterantive to the ultimates? Im after some that dont develop loads of movement or wobble down at the pivot area where they bolt on, is there any out there that you guys could recommend? i have looked around but im really not sure whats good and whats not with v-brake arms yet, all i know is that mine are impossible to set the spring tension on correctly now due to the amount of wobble that has developed between the brake arm and the brass bush running through it! i appreciate any help or info

thanks guys i appreciate the good comments, i've had a proper ride on it now this weekend and it is a BEAST , so light easy and flicky but yet very precise and smooth at the same time! my tgs and natty skills are going to progress incredibly quickly with this bike! thanks dude, what is it about the stem that you don't like? i havent found any problems with it so far apart from the bars being a bitch to fit haha that is totally understandable, i was having to control my semi the whole time i was riding it on sunday yea im so glad i went with v's even with cheapo onza v-calipers they are miles more powerfull than a magura, and i can actually modulate them nicely and just find braking in any situation more precise! ,i could do with a decent set though like some avid ultimates (or just any v brake that doesnt have shed loads of movement down at the pivots) and yes the bars are carbon, its not like me to run any "weight weenie" stuff but i thought i would give them a shot seeing as i've heard nothing but good news about them, and considering that the 2 year old trialtech high rise bars that i have on my inspired which gets ridden every day only have 1 tiny tiny scratch on them i thought i might be able to get away with going carbon .... might change them after a few months though just for peace of mind! thanks mate! yea the bonz rim seems to be very nice quality, but i havent had it for long enough yet to see how well they actually hold up to a grind, and yes it may look like there is tar on the rim but its not tar its just the left over paint from the brand new rim, as i had only done the very lightest of grinds as per usual and it had left some of the original coating on the rim! im running heatsink yellows on the rear and they are responding very well to the bonz rim! i do look forward to the day that we get the same choice of rims and tyres as the 26" guys though!

got this all built up yesterday, ordered everything from tartybikes (thanks again to adam with all the help on the phone etc ) and as per usual with tartybikes, everything turned up the next day at like 10:am! luckily i already had a sev of v-brakes lying around so i saved a bit of cash there as i was sort of building this up on a budget... and i had to pinch the pedals from my inspired to put on this untill i can afford a pair for both bikes never had a proper trials bike before so i didnt really know what to expect, but i am soooooo happy with the way it rides, its such a comfortable riding position even with a +70 bb and there is almost zero flex in anything which i was quite impressed with, i thought with it being so light it would feel really weak but it feels just as solid as my inspired! the carbon handlebars are stiff as hell but im still a bit unsure how long they will last! i've never ridden anything that requires so little effort to stay perfectly balanced on the rear wheel, literally requires zero effort.. and the v-brakes just finish it off perfectly (in my opinion) just love having the simplicity and ease of set-up with vees and the extra modulation and feel you get with them! so basicly to sum it all up, it might not be to everyones taste but im well chuffed with the way it turned out, and i look forward to flying up and down some ledges with this when the weather cheers up a bit!

luke your a hero for that offer mate honestly thats proper kind of you!, but luckily i've got 2 pairs of 24" vee onza zoot forks that i can fall back on if i decide that those alloy forks in the link i posted in my previous post feel a bit too weak and flexy! zoot forks are a little on the heavy side though at 1.38 kg but they will do the job if it comes to it. maximum appreciation being sent your way though dude!

this could be a really good idea, although i was looking to put in a massive order from tarty either tomorrow or thursday so i can build the bike up for the weekend! for the forks it looks like i will just end up getting something along these lines for a couple months.... these one's > http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/24_inch_forks/because_curved_blade/c539p11179.html hopefully there will be some more forks, or converters to choose from soon for 24" riders! there is a much wider range of forks to choose from if i was to just run a hs33 or disc... but after trying all sorts of brakes on all kinds of different bikes, it eventually became clear to me that vees are pure win if you are building a tgs bike with dual rim brakes! i look forward to hearing a bit more about these jaf forks

sorry for quoting my own question but i was just bumping the topic to help mr. leech see our questions if they aren't going to be available with a v-brake option then im pretty much stuck on building a decent 24 all because of the lackluster choice of forks available might have to end up building a stock

will these be available with a V-brake mount? holding back on deciding what forks to run on a compy 24 build and want to ideally run the 26" tnn forks with a V-brake up-front none of the other 24" forks available appeal to me whatsoever, so some sort of converter would be awesome

@ 15:05, that is literally the best thing i have ever seen :bow: yea pretty much 26 minutes of awesome, kind of wierd though as thats the first of any clips i've seen of you riding with brakes! the guy running just a rear brake is pure boss, i've seen him in a couple of your videos and i like the fact he just runs a rear brake only.