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i've snapped a couple M6 taps before and managed to hit the the broken part of the tap with a decent center punch (and a hammer) untill the tap had pretty much disintegrated, then cleaned up the mess by drilling it all out and inserting an 8mm thread insert, bringing it back down to M6. i'm not sure how well this would work on an M5 brake bolt, on a frame, becuase im not sure if you can clamp a frame in a vice and hit the living sh*t out of it with a hammer... if you were going to keep the frame as a spare it may be worth a try!

the pedals and the tyres are different, and i've noticed some weld's and gusset's on the frame seem to be slightly differen't/improved. is there any new's on the new zoot pro frame joe? when i spoke to you a couple week's back i believe you were still deciding on a colour? my zoot pro is still going strong, love this frame !

yea i managed to run an adjustable seat post on my old zoot and im currently running the same system on my zoot pro. i only chose to do this modification so i could lower the seat completely out of the way with about a half inch long seatpost as low as it could go without the seat rubbing the tyre! it wouldn't be a good idea to run a long seat post with a high seat for commuting on this frame because when you remove the integrated seat post, you are left with barely enough frame to run a fully working seat clamp so it just wouldn't work! it works fine with the seat and post as low as it can go with a little customized seat clamp! get a zoot anyway they are very good value for money and really nice to ride!

awesome vid rich 2:51 love your style aswell, no nonsense and really powerfull! i much prefer natural riding vids, infact, overwatching your first heatsink promo is what made me decide to start putting some money away recently towards a tgs frame! what do you think about the strength of the because frame? is it flexy without a booster? it looks like a really nice, well built frame for the price! im building another 24" and im seriously considering getting the because frame instead of the echo as its £60 cheaper and im running on a budget!

maxxis holy roller's for sure! tried and tested! i haven't had a single puncture all year whilst running holy roller's and they can hold plenty of psi for street and they also work well at low pressure's for more tgs stuff! never had an issue with grip aswell, i can get my knee down in the corners even when its raining!

the tr levers do look quite nifty, mite wait for a few people to test them before i make a decision on getting one though! and yea let me know when you feel like you've had your fun on the bike and i would definately consider a reasonable price it would save me a lot of mucking about if i bought a complete build rather than buying just the frame, because i wouldn't have to keep borrowing wheels and brakes and stuff of my zoot to build up the echo frame!

i'm in the process of saving for one of these, (frame only though) they look rather tasty i want to give one a try! also what do you think of the tr front disc brake? i've just noticed them on tartybikes and they seem pretty good for the price, although i haven't been able to find out much about them on the forum! could you start scratching the bike up now and sell it to me in a month's time for half the price.

get a 4mm drill bit and drill into the bolt a good 3quarters of a centimetre, once you've done that get a t25 torx bit and hammer it into the hole you drilled (hammer the shit out of it and make sure its right in there), then simply undo the bolt! i do this most days at work on customers bike's and it works a treat! obviously replace the bolt afterwards

whipped my brakes off again yesterday and went for a little sesh, love the brakeless feel on this bike! decided to take my mediocre camera along with me aswell because i like mucking about with little edit's, gunna take it along on the next few rides and get some lines filmed rather than just flat ground stuff, but all practice is good practice really wan't a canon 550d now, and looking forward to practicing some brakeless tgs stuff in the next few days any comments welcome! better footage will happen eventually! clicky here

i've still got a pair of 26" tubeless wheels in my garage from my first trials bike a few years ago, im pretty sure the brand on the rims was 'rigida'! unfortunately i cant offer any opinion on a tubeless setup because ironically i always ran my tubeless rims with tubes.. i think this was due to a lack of any tubeless tyre's in my lbs at the time! but yea this was like 5 years ago. pretty decent rim's though, much stronger than any rim i've abused before/since i had them!

whats wrong with brake cleaner?? i use it every day on motorcycle brakes to great effect.. pushbike brakes use relatviely similar materials for the same components that brake cleaner is designed for? im not having a go or anything im just very curious as all the top riders like you say never use brake cleaner, use water! and im having a lot of trouble getting a consistant feeling brake, so im wandering if brake cleaner is contributing towards that?

you forgot to add the hope mono trial front rotor to your spec list na seriously nice rig you got there, i like the footjam plate and the geo on that frame looks pretty sweet!! don't think you should give up on TGS though, your last edit was sick!

have you tried putting a thread cleaner down the "f**ked" side of the spindle yet? this may save you £50 but yea if you don't have access to one, or if this fails, then you can just repeatedly whack the spindle and it will eventually pop out with one of the bearing's i would suggest using a wooden mallet/hammer to do this so you don't damage the spindle but as it may already be ruined, feel free to whack away with the biggest hammer you can find

that's the exact same size/shape hole i had in my knee when i broke my kneecap this thread has just bought me back some horrible memories haha.. i hope thats just a fleshwound though dude and there's no bone or cartilage damage

that is so true , i've never been a big fan of graphics, i much prefer the clean look without them or just like 1 sticker on the downtube or something! cheers bud , and also thanks for the advice on the brakes, but looking back i dont think i explained my problems properly i have tried leaving the brakes for a few weeks sometimes but they just became un-usable, the piston's were sticking in the lever's so badly it was dangerous, brake dust was just clogging the calipers completely and making them squeal like a magura on a ground rim.. but without actually slowing me down! so i resorted to giving them a fresh bleed every few weeks (this has helped the o-ring's in the levers to stop them sticking) also now i remove the calipers from the bike every few days and check everything out, then use about a gallon of brake cleaner on the pads, calipers and the discs.. from trying plenty of methods this seem to be the most effective! i wanted to get a pair of rotor's with less hole's to try out but apparently you can only use the genuine rotors which are about as thick as a rizla paper (and also aren't in stock anywere in the world) so i think i will be chucking these in the back of the shed as soon as i can raise the funds for a pair of hope tech's + rotor's.. which totals about £430 i think

they are very good brake's for sure, for beginners or fast learners, but they do lack the hold of a properly set-up hope mono/tech with a proper genuine hope rotor,i service the onza disks once every 3-4 days (allowing a decent amount of time to bed in from each service to prevent an over the top amount of o.t.t servicing) but they still lack the performance im seeking for a tgs/street bike, they are amazing for street (they modulate very nicely on my day to day 1/4 mile manual on the downhill on the way to work), but they dont seem to like large drops or gaps (believe me i've tried all sort's of weight distribution, body positioning) but they aren't quite up to the job (for me personally) but im sure for most beginners etc they will be very much up to the job.

finally managed to get the £££ together to get the zoot pro after my old zoot cracked ... wanted to go for the indestructible fourplay but the vertical dropout's and the price tag just keep putting me off, but otherwise im very pleased with this build! (well i will be when i get some new bars and brakes), but still its incredibly nice to ride! the frame and forks have made quite a big difference in comparison with the standard zoot, it seems to feel much more stable for tgs style moves and yet somehow a little bit more streety at the same time (360's are much, much easier) only thing that concerns me is the forks, i've never had a pair of aluminium forks on any bike i've ever had, so i don't know how they "should" feel, but they flex sooooo much its scary, especially when using the front brake.. is this a normal thing with ally forks? any help would be greatly appreciated im not a heavy guy (12 stone) and im not much of a basher! anyway here's some pictures

no i dont think so, was your caliper properly aligned / centralised with the disc?? and are all your bolts on the caliper and disc nice and snug?

i spoke to stan earlier and he said exactly the same thing.. not a single one back, which is weird for sure, i really hope i was just unlucky with this one but from what i've been digging up through google searches today and a quick look on the forum.. it appears im one of many! also i jus checked up on tarty's and i can get an inspired frame for just £45 more than a zoot frame (unless i was to go for a 2011 fourplay frame obviously) but i love the zoot's horizontal dropouts im trying my best not to imply to anyone that "zoots are weak" at all because i will continue to use this frame after its been welded and im pretty sure i will be running a zoot pro as my main bike.. but its just kinda annoying knowing that i've had packets of crisps that have lasted longer than six months.

im overcome with fury at the moment bud just because this next load of cash was meant to be going on a few parts that ive been wanting for ages (fourplay forks etc) but now i need a new frame i was originally going to get a fourplay because i knew they were indestructible, but i wanted to run a rear disc and i wanted horizontal dropouts so i had no choice other than a zoot, and the zoot is marketed as a fit for purpose, well built, tough, street/trial frame!! have you heard of many other zoots snapping aswell?? this is quite interesting for sure its a nightmare i've never cracked a frame before and i've had so many bikes.. but yes luckily i do have an engineering shop up the road from where i live and they will quite happily weld it up for me for a bit of beer money (im always getting them to fix / make little bits for my motocross bike) after its welded i will keep it as a brakeless machine but i will be a little bit intimidated when it comes to anything big on it from now just incase it fails again! no worry's mate, its a nice spec just a few things need improving (frame obviously ) it will probably feel quite wierd for you going from a mod to a 24 i think.. even though most of them have near enough the same wheelbase!!

yea sure mate no problem.. are you thinking of getting one at some point perhaps?? anyway here goes : brakeless spec.. FRAME : 2010 onza zoot with integrated seatpost removed (done this myself so i can run the seat slammed ) FORKS : standard onza zoot STEM : hope cnc (70mm long, 25 degree rise) BARS : standard onza zoot (used to run tensile's but got scared of them snapping) GRIPS : trialtech foam HEADSET : echo sl FRONT WHEEL : standard zoot rear rim built onto zoot pro front hub and spokes with a 2.4 maxxis holy roller (i had to put a rear rim on the front as the standard width front rim was just not upto the job) REAR WHEEL : zoot pro rim, hub and spokes also running a 2.4 maxxis holy roller REAR SPROCKET : onza screw on 14t FREEWHEEL : echo sl (18t) CHAIN : trialtech Z610 BASHRING : echo urban BOTTOM BRACKET : onza isis CRANKS : onza pro PEDALS : standard onza SEAT : gusset pivotal SEATCLAMP : tartybikes SEATPOST : inspired pivotal i think thats the lot anyway, hope this helps bud! i was going to be getting some new forks, cranks, bottom bracket, pedals and a few other bits but that is going to have to wait now that my frame is on crack

i would love to warranty it, but apparently cracks on a 6month old totally un-abused frame are pretty normal onza have been incredibly helpfull to me in the past few months those guys at rocknroll are awesome and i do see where they are coming from but i jus really, really, really, really don't want't to buy a new frame after 6 months, when i was sort of expecting it to last a couple of years!! (just to add to anybody reading any of this there are absolutely no bad vibes towards onza at all, the zoot is an excellent bike and i would still recommend one to anybody)

well ever since i put the new shorter stem on it, hops and spins and all that became much easier, but i've massivley sacrificed the whole geometry of the balance point on the rear wheel which makes manuals and literally anything involving tgs 10 times harder but with the hops to manuals i find it much easier if you hop to manual anything above about 2ft high, anything lower and it becomes really easy to flip off the back for some reason, but i will keep at it and get better for sure, and thanks for the comments on the riding and the bike (Y) haha it looks like im going to have a brakeless zoot, and also a zoot with brakes much sooner than i originally planned.. 2 days after filming those few clips i noticed a fairly large fatal crack where the top right hand side seat stay joins on to the top tube (N) massively dissapointed as the frame is only just 6 months old now and there is literally not a single scratch, mark, dent or anything on the entire frame as you can see from the pictures on the original post... which is thouroughly upsetting as i really enjoyed that frame it was so nice to ride, and i can't think where im going to get the money to replace it but im going to have to get myself a zoot pro for sure it just looks alot stronger, and maybe get this original zoot frame welded and build it as a brakeless beast again!!

thanks for the encouragement dude's .. without a doubt i will be building myself a brakeless 24 now it is so fun to ride.. not only that but brakeless manuals are one of the most satisfying tricks to accomplish!! ever!. i've been watching mark and stan's brakeless edit's over and over again recently and still can't believe how fun they make it look even though its incredibly hard.. i'm going to keep at it though for sure... just need to get some funds together for a spare bike with exactly the same spec as this for a brakeless machine!! and i really REALLY need a decent camera too :$

i hope it wasn't the 4 foot drop you done that cracked your zoot, beacuse i've had mine for 5 months now and the biggest drop i've done was 2.2 meters (i think thats just over 7 feet) and i've done that drop quite a few times and also lots more drops around a similar size... im checking my frame for cracks everywhere tomorrow haha!! and to the original subject (rourke) i would definately recommend a zoot i'd say it would fit you perfectly, im 5ft11 and i only had to put one spacer under the standard stem to ride it comfortably, and the parts it comes with as standard are pretty reliable too, my friend bought one at the same time as me about 5 months ago and he hasn't changed a thing on it from new and it still rides really well and he's more than happy with it. check my post in the trials chat section today to see what my zoot looks like with a few upgraded parts on it, as soon as i bought it i spent about £700 getting it the way i wanted it but it was mostly personal preference, i normally run front and rear onza elite disc brakes but i took them off today for a few days!! definately get a zoot!