You obviously think Hope are a far bigger company than they are then They're not as small as Tarty, no, but there's not some high up executive sitting in a big posh office and playing golf while hundreds of factory workers do the work, far from it in fact Jon Mack was only asking if Dave6895 knew the Hope guys, as his post sounded as if he did. I got the same impression, which could easily be a little out. Would be cool to see the Hope vid, Dave, if you can find it What sort of stuff do you work with/on, Dave? Would be handy if you could do a lot of stuff yourself, I'd imagine you could save a fair old packet