I had not seen the Echo fixed hub before, as with the wielded Deore idea, this seems the way to go to run a front FW and gears. Cheers guys Hopes: I'm kind of obsessed with buying things and regretting it later (I got boxes full of crap!), well y`know! £80 seems like a lot when all I'm interested in is the freehub which will give me probs eventually, and I do appreciate the after service, but oh` well? Y`know, why can't they make a cheap cone/bb hub with the same freehub design (although this may be a design problem), maybe even pre-lubed for trials riders as they/you guys show them so much support? Thanks Jaffacakes, that's the puppy! (The red and blue both have 36ep) - Sweet, that's a Bulb, these look good!