Laurence--Trials Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) OTN find.. thought some people on here would be interested (link here) to the topic. OTN Quote:Originally Posted by Le@TNN Engineering Not sure if many of you know this Mr Chris Russ is the original maker of the Plazmatic CRM pads (Chris Russ Magura). Has partnered with us (TNN) from day one. He came up with the idea for the rim coating and got the first batch produced in Australia. Pros: -Extremely high performance (like braking on 300 grit sandpaper) -Never wears -Consistent performance in all conditions. Virtually no slip in the dry -Won't chip off Cons: -SUPER EXPENSIVE!!!!!!! $150 per rim which make this too expensive by the time it reaches the public. Approx $300 for a rim -if you get oil on it (blown Magura line) very difficult to clean. Can't use a grinder to clean it. -if you buckle your rim your investment bye bye Sounds amazing, but with that price tag i think its for top comp riders/ comp daddys etc. Edited November 21, 2011 by Laurence--Trials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 welcome to the year 2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted November 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Oh.. i take its quite an old invention? I've never heard of it personly. You ever used it Ali? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigman Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Plaz coating is real old school! I remember someone saying that the harshest coating would wear out a set of magura black pads in a matter of weeks! it did however work amazing, or so they said! I once ran a Mavic Ceramic coated rim (unsure if they still make these) on the back of my bike, this was also an amazing coating, pads would barely wear but work realy well in any weather, my koxx browns on that rim were very impressive! these rims were generaly about £50-60 compared to the standard D521 at £25ish Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 I think, back then, EVERYONE used it. I'm to n00by so can't say for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 yeah, this was something you could get years ago, I remember it being on goatwheels.com. I haven't personally tried the Plazmatic coating, I have tried other types (less harsh) and they are pretty sweet. I think for most riders rims are too expendable to consider having the treatment though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted November 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) So why exactly isn't it heard of nowadays? Surely if it was amazing as everyone making it out to be then we would/should have kept using it, right? EDIT: also, how is it put on the rim? and what exactly is it? is it grit in the paint or something a peice of material stuck onto the rim? Edited November 21, 2011 by Laurence--Trials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 So why exactly isn't it heard of nowadays? Surely if it was amazing as everyone making it out to be then we would/should have kept using it, right? Cons: -SUPER EXPENSIVE!!!!!!! $150 per rim which make this too expensive by the time it reaches the public. Approx $300 for a rim -if you get oil on it (blown Magura line) very difficult to clean. Can't use a grinder to clean it. -if you buckle your rim your investment bye bye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted November 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) Ahh, i see your point then.. Why is it so expencive? and why is it f**ked if you buckle your rim? does it crack or something? So many questions Edited November 21, 2011 by Laurence--Trials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=plazmatic+rim+coating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 its put on as a plasma jet (not a paint) which is a very expensive process. As I said, people class trials rims as almost a throw-away-able item. Rims are so light weight and so minimal it would seem a little crazy to add a $150 coating for the rim to be replaced in less than 12 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 the rim to be replaced in less than 2 months after lots of failed dropgaps Better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.KYDD Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/rigida-grizzly-26-(559)-mtb-css-rim-black-32-hole-prod14245/ Sound alot like the CSS coating used on some of our Rigida rims Edited November 21, 2011 by J.KYDD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 It felt a bit like 60-80 grit sandpaper... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted November 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 its put on as a plasma jet (not a paint) which is a very expensive process. As I said, people class trials rims as almost a throw-away-able item. Rims are so light weight and so minimal it would seem a little crazy to add a $150 coating for the rim to be replaced in less than 12 months. Very true i suppose.. Surly the smooth comp riders like vince, gilles etc could keep their rims for longer than than? http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/rigida-grizzly-26-(559)-mtb-css-rim-black-32-hole-prod14245/ Sound alot like the CSS coating used on some of our Rigida rims The page cannot be found The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/rigida-grizzly-26-%28559%29-mtb-css-rim-black-32-hole-prod14245/ That's like Mavic Ceramic coating, quite a bit different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.KYDD Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 The page cannot be found The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. Naa, just the whole link isn't link'd, if you know what i mean. Just copy and paste the whole lot into the address bar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 This topic really is mighty oldschool, almost like googling something that's no longer around. No links work, no pictures work and there's very little information I've always wondered what this coat is exactly and still don't know. Plazmatic made some rather interesting stuff in the past like special trials-specific rotors and disc brake pads. Although for some reason I always thought that Plazmatic was Tim's venture, not something from Oz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.KYDD Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 That's like Mavic Ceramic coating, quite a bit different. "The carbide is projected at seven times the speed of sound on to the rim embedding it into the alloy. Unlike a ceramic surface it cannot flake away as it is part of the rim (not a layer)" The Mavic and DT Swiss ceramic rims were just coats, which were aweful for flaking off. The Carbide rims are a super harsh rim surface, hence why specific pads are needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Sorry, I meant different in terms of texture. IIRC, the Plaz stuff was: https://www.google.com/search?q=flame+sprayed+plasma+coating&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskimo Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Friend had the harshest coating, said it killed Plaz pads in a 4 hour sesh. And blacks, only about double that. Pretty crazy. But definitely a ceramic coating needs to come back. People are smoother now, and Plaz pads with them were insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted November 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 4 hours!?! thats nuts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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