AdamR28 Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Righty then... Five frames, all pretty different, looking for opinions please! Please Note! I dunno the weights or geometry of these frames, as Ive not seen them in the flesh personally, but i wouldnt have thought any of them (at this stage) to be uber-light or tank-like. None of them are exact shapes or geometries yet as theyre are only prototype ideas. Anyway, enjoy! Frame 1: Curved downtube, funky seatstay join Picture 1 Picture 2 Picture 3 Picture 4 Picture 5 Frame 2: CNC dropouts, twin seat tubes Picture 1 Picture 2 Frame 3: CNCd to the max - 6 piece rear end! Picture 1 Picture 2 Picture 3 Picture 4 Picture 5 Frame 4: Carbon Fibre top tube, CNCd bits Picture 1 Picture 2 Picture 3 Frame 5: Big downtube, one piece BB shell/yoke Picture 1 Picture 2 Picture 3 Picture 4 Cheers, Ads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
011001000110010101110010 Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 (edited) Some innovative designs there. Only frame 2 seems to be vaugly appealing to me... all of the others look a bit gash. Any particular reason you need to post it twice? :( Edited January 20, 2005 by derf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomN Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Some interesting designs Onza have there :( Don't like Frame 1 puts me off. F2 is nice though like last one aswell T-Mag but with Orange Zero down tube IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todge Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 In general, they all look very tacky. I understand Onza maybe wanting to push the design and use new ideas, but I cant see the need for all those CNC areas and masses of tubes. Maybe its just me, and my preference for a nice clean looking steel frame. PS, the carbon containting frame looks interesting, but is that only glued in place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Just though i would give a quick run down; This one really is quite odd. Like the idea of curved downtube. The more "held back" design of the 5. Really like this one. Looks a bit like the '05 t-mag but seat tube the other way. What the hell is half way down though. Does look funky though. Hahaha. This ones great. Very cnc indeed. Very nice brake mounting system aswell, very origional. Would probably reduce flex like a mother f**ker too. Really liking that they've tried something new. Not sure on strength though, especially for bails etc. The drop out's are also very wierd :( Basically an updated t-mag/t-master. Liking the new downtube though. Probably the worst of the 5 though. Would also like to say how great it is onza are trying all this new stuff, especially carbon fibre top tube. Top job onza :- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmowerman Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Frame 2 looks best imo, thatll deffinetly be a winner if its released. The rest look abit over the top. The carbon top tube is a good idea but wouldnt it be better if it was the downtube instead? Then when its mullered you could possibly replace it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Motivator Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 WHITE ONE LOOKS THE BEST BY FAR! all the rest do honestly look ghalstly. One of them looks like a flatland bmx :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardman Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 They all have good and bad bits about them. Id liketto see all those ideas combined into one frame. I like the one piece bb/yoke bit and the carbon bit and the cnc'd rear end, but the front end should just look normal and the rear dropouts need scaling down a bit. But take bits from each make a frame and there you go, otherwise there all horrible unless indivdual bits are taken from each and combined. Get my drift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhythm_101 Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 i'm liking the top one, that does look quite sexy, the big cnc'd one is just :- but some of the ideas are interesting, like the mag mounts "inside" the seat stays, i would imagine they did that to increase rigidity, and lessen the flex of normal mounts. the carbon fibre one i like purely because of the..well......carborn fibre :- but the dropous look ugly, the last one reminds me of the T-mag bikes......whick isn't good at all :( ooh the second on is also quite nice not sure about that brace type thing in the middle but meh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerousDave Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 carbon on the downtube would be very bad. Carbon has an incredible fatigue rate but it can't take impacts very well. i prefer my downtubes unshattered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Drewery Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 I really like frame 2, it looks very nice. Theyve got some good ideas there, they dont seem to have made a replica of another companies frame this time, its about time a company brought out something original :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 bike 1) lovely :- I love its looks, I also like the seatstay area but its hard to tell whats happening because of the gloss black paint. bike 2) not my cup of tea, I never really liked the coust frame design, this is an uglier virsion bike 3) less keen on this one, it kinda looks like what the terminator would ride, surly the more parts then the more there is to go wrong? bike 4) this is more like it :( its got more traditional looks, not too keen on the dropouts though Bike 5) Sorry, not keen on this at all! If the dictionary had pictures next to its words, that would be with Ugly. I think Frame number one, with the carbon top tube of number 4, one piece bb/yolk and possibly the brake mounts of 3 (if it works well) would be a top frame!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Love them all cept the carbon one, maybe a carbon headtube insted?:( ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 The second one is F in sexy Pauly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Garland Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Frames 2 and 3 are the nicest imo. Frame 2 is quite original never seen the wild tube in the middle of the frame between headtube and seat stay area. Frame 3 has a very nice CnC element to it, abit like the XTP with all the CNC parts but very nice. Are they planning on doing any prototype frames like those for the stock bikes because I would buy a stock version of the 3rd frame if it was for normal headsets and not the internal ones. :( for Onza trying new designs and finding out which is prefered first before building them, thats what a company should do. Ask the riders what they want, not guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotchDave Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 carbon on the downtube would be very bad. Carbon has an incredible fatigue rate but it can't take impacts very well. i prefer my downtubes unshattered ← Hence why they made the top tube out of it. :-" Frame one, looks nice but how stiff is the fron end gonna be? Frame two, nice but does the strut in the middle serve ANY purpose? Frame three; hmm interesting its definitely a good concept but all those welds. :( Frame 4, innovative and definitely a good idea to experiment Frame 5, a redesigned mag??? I say that the seeatstays off the 3 and scale then down attach them to the front end of the 4 and see what you need as chainstays. Would probably be quite good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly C Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 I really like the 2 black ones :( The first ones very neat, I'd love to see how it rides, the second looks like a black Python with a little originallity thrown in.. cant be bad. The 4th one looks really nice, the toptube wouldn't last me 5 mins I gather but the shapes very Megamo and thats a pretty cool thing :- Olly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 I love number 3, ive just had a better look and its great, maybe a not so beasty version :( I think there all bloody great frames and great work to onza, although i doubt we will ever see any of these frames in to production except the posh tmag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe b Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Theyre all pretty noice! The only one i can actually say i really like, without seeing the bikess built up, is the 2nd one! Would like to see them all built up and i want to know what they are going to name them! :( Cheers, Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmowerman Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 lower the top tube on frame 4, get rid of the carbon and lose the internal headset. That would be beasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted January 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Frame 3: T-Erminator :-" Probably :- (Id already thought of that btw Olly :() Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly C Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Frame 3: T-Erminator :-" Probably :( (Id already thought of that btw Olly :P) ← :( You so hadn't! Bleeding thief! hehe that was mine, I said it you stole it and posted first.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Tupman Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 The only one I like the look of is the first one :( all the others just look over done but the first one just looks simple and positive thats my opinion anyway :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colly Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 love the lot of them apart from the carbon one, well done onza :( like the new style t-master. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 i absolutely love onza! they make good frames at affordable prices, what more can i say!?!?! im really liking design number 4, the carbon looks really cool and the drop outs. i couldnt test one for you could i? :"> Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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