Houseface Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 (edited) hey does anyone know if echo are going to make 36 hole versions of their new fixed 20 inch hubs or do they always keep it to 32 hole? please give reasons for your vote!!! steve. Edited November 5, 2005 by stevyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 If they only make one hole size it'll lower overall production costs, plus the extra four spokes don't make that much difference, it's all about the good wheelbuilder (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseface Posted November 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 yes,but if they made 32 and 36 hole hubs, wouldnt they sell more to people with both type of rims rather than just half of those peole? steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 yes but they only make 32 hole rims, why do they want to make their product compatible with another manufacturer's product, its about gaining the whole market share. (Y) Example! if they only make 32 hole products, while others are making 36 only then people will go with echo products,* *however i realise that many different companies make 32 hole rims etc, but it was just an example for u to understand :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseface Posted November 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 yes also they could make 36 hole rims too if people like 36 than 32. but oh well,i dont think they wilkl ever do that. steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 yes but they only make 32 hole rims, why do they want to make their product compatible with another manufacturer's product, its about gaining the whole market share. :D Example! if they only make 32 hole products, while others are making 36 only then people will go with echo products,* *however i realise that many different companies make 32 hole rims etc, but it was just an example for u to understand :$ Just like monty with their 25" rear wheels. Look how well that worked. It is a pain in the backside, anyone who wants a profile and a echo rim can't really. (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Just like monty with their 25" rear wheels. Look how well that worked. It is a pain in the backside, anyone who wants a profile and a echo rim can't really. (Y) :D whyn have people voted no? :$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 f**ktards will, f**ktards (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseface Posted November 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 yes but they only make 32 hole rims, why do they want to make their product compatible with another manufacturer's product, its about gaining the whole market share. (Y) Example! if they only make 32 hole products, while others are making 36 only then people will go with echo products,* *however i realise that many different companies make 32 hole rims etc, but it was just an example for u to understand :D but if they made 36 hole hubs and you had a 36 hole rim and you really liked that hub and wanted it or it was the only hub with the things that you want, then you could get it. plus they will be selling to all the crowd rather than half. steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishayton Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 right no they shouldn't make 36 hole hubs as basically every rim is available in 32 hole, but they they should make a 36 hole rim. therefore profile owners can run them easily (Y) makes more sense than making 36 hole hubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseface Posted November 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 but why only for the profile owners? why not for the people with 36 hole rims because then evryoine is happy? steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Yeah why the hell do more people think no? :blink: I can't think of a reason why anyone would say no. >_< It's just extra choise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisa Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Less production, machinery needed so maybe more saving passed to the consumer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 There's no point. You can get every rim on the market in 32h (*probably) and not very many in 36h. Speaking as someone who had a 36h hub, it's a bit of a bitch to get hold of 36h rims. I would prefer it if everything only came in one size, and 36h products didn't exist. All these dual standards are crap. Make things one size and everyone's happy. 32h it is then >_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Clark Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Why don't people moan that Profile don't make 32 hole hubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseface Posted November 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Why don't people moan that Profile don't make 32 hole hubs? thats actually a v.good point >_< necer thought of that. :blink: steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseface Posted November 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 as you can see the votes are 16-18 at the moment, this would probably be the yes=36 hole people and the no=32 hole people, which means the votes are almost equal which means that echo would probably sell more (example) to all the 34 poeple rather than just the 18 people and therefore make more money. just my point of veiw. steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Why don't people moan that Profile don't make 32 hole hubs? it has been done >_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 People don't moan about Profile because the Profile hub is a BMX one, in which you ONLY run 48 or 36 spoke setups, typically. Therefore, why would they make one for a different market, with a different manufacturing proccess? Not gonna happen >_< At the moment, you can get every rim for mods in 36H, except for the Echo rims. Equally, you can get almost every hub in 36H, except for the Echo one again. It's a bit shit they don't as their market does use 32 and 36H rims/hub combos, so it'd be in their interests too, however it works out cheaper for them only having to have them manufactured in one way, I suppose. Seeing as Deng's aaaaaaaaaaaall about the moneys, it's not too surprising he's going down that route. Also, Tomm, stock/mod comparisons for wheelsizes are a bit out, simply because a lot of stock hubs are just generally mountain bike hubs being used for trials, whereas almost all mod hubs are specifically made for mods. Therefore, there's a reduced compatibility issue. I wish they did a 36H rim, as I'd like a Try-All that wasn't totally arse, and this Echo sounds like it'd fit the bill. I could run my hub with 4 empty holes I guess, but to be honest, I probably won't bother doing it simply 'cos I'd ultimately need a whole new wheel. Screw that :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseface Posted November 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 does anyone suggest a profile, but it 40 quid more for less engagements :( or arent the echo ones as strong? steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 The Profile's build quality is amazing. The quality of their products in general is pretty legendary, but especially so with their hubs. The hubs themselves run super smooth, engage really well, and seem to last for ages (some people had problems with bearings, but it's a minority of users). The hubs themselves are super strong. Spares are readily available. You can run a variety of different size sprockets on the back, unlike the Echo. There's a hell of a track-record for the Profile. With the Profile, if you run 18:12 you'll have 72 engagement points at the pedals. With the Echo, it'll be 108. If you think about that, that means a new engagement point every 5 degrees with the Profile, and every 3.5 degrees with the Echo. That's not a great difference, really. I wouldn't worry about it too much. I didn't feel any difference between going from 72 to 60, to put it one way :( I'd personally go for the Profile and let other people find out what the Echo is like first. If it turns out to be some uber hub, you can sell your Profile on either on here or a BMX site (they keep their value well), but if the Echo turns out to be shite, you can happily ride on knowing you got an amazing hub first off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseface Posted November 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 The Profile's build quality is amazing. The quality of their products in general is pretty legendary, but especially so with their hubs. The hubs themselves run super smooth, engage really well, and seem to last for ages (some people had problems with bearings, but it's a minority of users). The hubs themselves are super strong. Spares are readily available. You can run a variety of different size sprockets on the back, unlike the Echo. There's a hell of a track-record for the Profile. With the Profile, if you run 18:12 you'll have 72 engagement points at the pedals. With the Echo, it'll be 108. If you think about that, that means a new engagement point every 5 degrees with the Profile, and every 3.5 degrees with the Echo. That's not a great difference, really. I wouldn't worry about it too much. I didn't feel any difference between going from 72 to 60, to put it one way :D I'd personally go for the Profile and let other people find out what the Echo is like first. If it turns out to be some uber hub, you can sell your Profile on either on here or a BMX site (they keep their value well), but if the Echo turns out to be shite, you can happily ride on knowing you got an amazing hub first off. thanks dude :( steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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