Egg Fried Rice Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 hellomy friend is looking to buy a new frame for crimbo and is interested in the czar ivan.could i please have some helpful info from people that know more about this frame than me.i would like to know whther is there good? are they strong? worth 300? how does it ride etc etc all those questions really thanks very muchJK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun H Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 I imagine the general consensus would be to get a Zenith instead. Especially as you can get one with a King on eBay for £200.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Harrison Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Sounds like a bargain - are the frames actually any different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Bleech Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 the czar has a higher bb than the zenith, the czar are good bikes though if you like than sort of thing if you like high bb's go for Czar Ivan, but if you are unsure I would go for the Zenith, its still a very good frame with unfortuately gash stickers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskimo Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 You can answer your own question by looking at the specs. The main difference is the bb rise. And the Czar has alot of it. I found it rides better than a mod. I've only sessioned it for half hour at most. And i've never rode the Zenith. CZAR short.Wheelbase: 1070mmChainstay Length: 375mmBB Rise: 60mmHead Angle: 71.5 degreesCentre of BB shell to top centre of head tube: 650mm (25.5") Weight: 2.171kg/4.79lbsZenithWeight: 2.2kgWheelbase: 1070mmChainstay Length: 375mmBB Rise: 25mm (dependant on fork) Head Angle: 72 degreesI just copied and pasted those Clearly see that the Czar is a high bb rise bike. And the Zenith is a little more both wheels orientated.Chris King headsets are nothing special i find but it's still a expensive product free which you could sell.Now i know the Czar has alots of topics about it so use search and see what you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 don't get a zenith, go for quality, get the czar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun H Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 don't get a zenith, go for quality, get the czar.What? Could you please justify that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trials Boy Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 IMO, but this is my opinion, i would go for the Zenith over the Czar anyday, cos' i prefer lower bb, also as there is £100 different and you get a free king headset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balman Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 A friend of mine has just got a czar and it rides really nice the bb takes a lil bit to get used to but its really light and stupidly flicky if i could get any stock i would have that or the vinco just as i love bb rise lovly bike i would recomend it for feel and he seems to be very happy with it but then again i havent riden the zona so i could say wich is better but i do really like the czar.hope this helps Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 don't get a zenith, go for quality, get the czar.It makes me laugh so much every time i read a message like that. Don't people realise that 90% of trials frames on the market come out of the same 2/3 factories.I mean what would you buy.Koxx Levelboss - £200Koxx Levelboss - £400Obviously the more expensive one is better quality right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleee Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Yeh, justify your comments ash or be happy knowing we all think you talk out of your arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 he is getting a zenith and doesnt want every tom dick n harry to have one ... selfish fanny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan-Walker Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 don't get a zenith, go for quality, get the czar.That made me laugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 he is getting a zenith and doesnt want every tom dick n harry to have one ... selfish fanny haha, rohans got it in one lol.most of the replys in this thread are due to what i've said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleee Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 It's nothing to be proud of, it's for the same reasons as how pete wright's topics allways have loads of post's.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Smith! Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 It's nothing to be proud of, it's for the same reasons as how pete wright's topics allways have loads of post's....Lol chill out, deary me, Zenith seems to be getting popular now, with the free headset 'n' nice geo.........******Shame there bad quality******........Mat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 they are top notch quality imo, i was just being abit of a gimp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watson© Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Zenith for the win!!! I'm only saying this because I think that for a frame to have a bb height of +60mm... is a tad extreme But if you want a high bb the Czar is the one for you... I would say the Zenith is just right with the bb height though All in all the frames look identical and only major geo change is the bb height!... the choice is yours young sir! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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