Greetings Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 I'm building up a street/trials bike on my Pure and will be needing a seatpost and saddle. I'd need something light and fairly wide, which I can do barspins on - but also one that won't get in the way with basic trials moves like sidehops. What would you recommend? I'd rather not pay more than 50 quid although that's already pushing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMunn Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 With seatposts you would get away with a fairly cheap micro-adjust one, cut it down and drill it to make it light though And seats if your wanting something small but substantial then my money would go on something like the shadow conspiricy mini saddle or the gusset lil dirt saddle, gusset ones cheaper but still very nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted November 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 How about this? any ideas about the size? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMunn Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Quite small they are, not much padding, if your gonna be doing bar spins it will hurt your legs mucho! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 With seatposts you would get away with a fairly cheap micro-adjust one, cut it down and drill it to make it light though And seats if your wanting something small but substantial then my money would go on something like the shadow conspiricy mini saddle or the gusset lil dirt saddle, gusset ones cheaper but still very nice.not sure about the shadow mini but the 'kevlar-like' covering on my shadow slim tears your legs apart even through jeans - not a particularly nice surface to be pinching, they do look good though, which is the most important thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 tioga mc lite - seatany seat post would do from my experience, doesnt really take too much pressure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djb Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 The afore mentioned shadow conspiracy saddle is fine for barspins, it's what I have on my Leeson and cost £20ish I think. As for a post just pick up a cheapy off ebay, I got a pretty light Kore one from Woolyhat shop brand new for a tenner, by the time you've cut the excess 300mm off (no joking they are stupidly long) it'll be plenty light enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil H Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Just wondering: are you into like pure street trials riding? (barspins, fufanus and all that) or do you just want to add another level to your trials riding with new skills?Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kid creole Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 you can buy this off me for a £10 , tioga mc lite s . its tiny [attachmentid=7986] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE trials commentator Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 i have a pretty much brand new Selle Italia titanium railed seat,with metal on the edges to protect from crashes or summin? £10 posted?Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boon racoon Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 ive said it once and i'll say it again..from experience you're fighting a losing battle.on anything close to a trials bike the seat will have to be too high, too big and too far forward for you to combine it with any form of trialsy stuff.even then the seat tube angle will probably be too far back to allow you to pinch the seat properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted November 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Um that makes sense... never thought about it Need to put it to the test, maybe borrow a post and saddle from a friend and see how it feels.Just wondering: are you into like pure street trials riding? (barspins, fufanus and all that) or do you just want to add another level to your trials riding with new skills? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskimo Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 the shadow conspiricy mini Evil seat. Bought, used once and never again (much). How about this? any ideas about the size?They are small. Only slightly bigger than a Megamo mini seat.Macneil seat and post combo. Out of your price range though?A cheap seatpost of anykind providing its the right size. Cut down and then run something like this.I do think testing your theory out would be a good idea first as well. To think of it, does seem a little odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paolo Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 I agree with the boon, if you want to have your seat at a pinchable position, it'll be in the way for trials, exept maybe if you learnt trials on a seated bike, but then again, you'll be 50/50 between doing barspins and doing trials. To top that, not many trials riders cut their bars at a spinable lenght, so if you really want to do barspins, you probably wouldn't be able do them in a run because you'd loose some much flow by moving your legs to let the bars pass... But yeah, try out a seat maybe you'll be able to make it work, or just try it without pinching, perhaps you just have it in you, worth trying !It's not clear in your last post if you just want to add another level to your trials or if you're into streety riding, because I personally don't see how you could put a barspin into non "pure street trials", as phil_onza mentionned, in an actual run other then just [doing a barspin].Anyways, good luck ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCottTrials Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 I agree with the boon, if you want to have your seat at a pinchable position, it'll be in the way for trials, exept maybe if you learnt trials on a seated bike, but then again, you'll be 50/50 between doing barspins and doing trials. i disagree, i think it will be possible with the right setup but its still going to be dam hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boon racoon Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 i disagree, i think it will be possible with the right setup but its still going to be dam hardOkay...Low frame needs very high seat to barspin. high seat = impossible for trials moves. low seat = no barspins.High frame / DJ frame easier for barspins. High / DJ frames tedious for trials. Big seat required to barspin easily = gets in the way for trials moves.Steep angled seat tube required to pinch seat / barspin easily = no trials frames have this.Narrow bars easier to barspin = no balance or control for trials moves.Of course there are happy mediums. But it's damn hard to combine the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 A few things.You don't need to pinch for barspins in the same way that you don't need to cut your bars down to do barspins. I know MTB street stuff tends to be a few years behind BMX, but if you check out videos such as the Lotek Mixtape or the Mosh Mixtape, just watch Eddie Cleveland (as one example...) ride. Lots of barspins, virtually no seat, un-cut (as in 28" wide) bars. He seems to do barspins OK?For a seat, you can't really go wrong with the Macneil post with a Macneil SL seat. You can get the seatpost in virtually every size from 22.2mm to 31.8mm, so you're covered, plus they're super easy to mod to whatever size and shape you want. They're also ridiculously, ridiculously light too. You can cut the post down a lot (and it's an alu post anyway), it has no heavy 8mm thick chromo rails holding up a thick plastic body with a load of padding and a cover, so it's just basically mad light. Well worth looking into... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boon racoon Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 A few things.You don't need to pinch for barspins in the same way that you don't need to cut your bars down to do barspins. I know MTB street stuff tends to be a few years behind BMX, but if you check out videos such as the Lotek Mixtape or the Mosh Mixtape, just watch Eddie Cleveland (as one example...) ride. Lots of barspins, virtually no seat, un-cut (as in 28" wide) bars. He seems to do barspins OK?I watch him avidly I doubt anyone coming from trials is gonna rival that on an MTB anytime soon, sadly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 More's the pity :\ Really nice style that looks like it'd adapt well to trials if people just opened their minds a bit more about how to ride... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paolo Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Oh, it'll come, people from all kind of backgrounds are coming into street trials, only a matter of time until we get some real style coming on. But as for barspining and trials, I'm not sure lots of people will be able to barspin while gapping , just doing a decent barspinned fufmanu on a slope is pretty demanding, oh well I should at least try it on a ledge... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCottTrials Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 like i said before its going to be hard but its not impossible. i reckon you will have to just do super fast bar spins were you dont pinch the seat you just bunnyhop and as the bike is rising you spin the bars and catch them before you start to drop again then roll away im not trying it though i quite like a bar free face Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted November 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 (edited) Some of you are missing one thing - the possibility to adjust the height of the seat. It only takes a few seconds. Maybe I haven't explained things too well. Wanting a trialsy bike which I can use for other purposes like having fun in a skatepark not only doing things one would on a trials bike but taking it to a new level. Obviously barspins are just an example - if you can pinch the seat, you can also do no-hander fufanus, etc. There are loads of combos. I also believe there are no limits to what can be done on a bike. It's skills that matter - these can be learned. It might be harder with one setup than with another but it's the fun of learning a move and doing it perfectly that matters. Thanks for the replies, they have certainly explained quite a few questions and gave me more things to think about. If you have any other ideas please post them Sorry if my english is particularily bad today, I'm very drowsy... Edited November 8, 2006 by Inur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paolo Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 (edited) Why are you asking opinions if you've got your awnser. All I got to say is go for it !I'd personally go with a shadow consiracy seat or alike and for the seat post idealy get a thomson elite but then again, any thing work, though those with a clamping system similar to the thomson work really well to get a perfect seat angle.EDITED. Edited November 9, 2006 by paolo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 He asked what seat and post combo would be good, not for people to say he shouldn't bother. Lots of people keep saying that trails frames wouldn't have a steep enough seat angle? what the.. have you ever seen an echo pure? it'd be too steep if anything! Anyway, yeah, best bet seems to be a small BMX seat and any old post. post shouldnt set you back much more than a tenner, so you've got like £40 for a seat, go around some of your local BMX and skate shops and have a look at what they've got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 If people have tried it and found it didn't work out so well, surely it's better that they say something? If you've tried something that didn't work and someone else was about to do it, you'd give them some advise, and that's all that's happened here. The Macneil SL is about £16.99 and the post is around £26.99, I think, so they'd come in under budget... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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