After a brief interlude, (and an out of pocket experience) I've finaly tried the trimps out
They perform really well loads of initial bite and noise didn't feel them slip once. I haven't tried them wet yet. They bedded in fairly quickly on my harshish grind, so they may ware down quicker than id like, guess I'll find out.
Interested to see what other people think of them as I'm not exactly gods gift to trials