Going back to my Adamant now. This frame has no stiffness at all, the wheel just moves between one pad and the other making it impossible to ride. How the hell can you make such a utterly SHIT frame.... Well, cheers for the comments people! And yeah Steve, it is very cheap, got it for 100 quid. Not worth the money though. oh well, might as well post some pics of my ad then nice bit of natural in my garden it's amazing how responsive and stiff this frame is comparing to that noize bullshit. I wonder if the KOTs are just as bad?