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Well if it was put in place, it would be rather amusing seeing all the customers simply going to a different ISP and them losing lots of custom, plus im sure all the 'techy' people out there will find some way around it. It's probably just another way so that they will scare some people into stopping doing it.

Whilst on the subject, from what i gather 'backing up' DVD's that i've already bought is not illegal or wanting to get it on my ipod, as long as im not using it to sell onto anyone or anything like that, then is it illegal for me to download a copy because none of the software out there ive found can get rid of the protection?

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I'm just wondering how easy is it for them to catch you illegally downloading content.

I mean if it literally pops up on their computer that one of thier customers is illegally downloading, then they could stop millions.

Only problem with that is the ISP will loose custom as stated.

Theres also the side to downloading that is legal, for example if you already own a song (say a single on CD, ready payed for), its not illegal to download from say Limewire, as you have already own it.

In this circumstance for example, how will the ISP's be able to know if you already have the content or not if they will be giving you warnings or banning you at the click of a button?

I think it would need developing, but eventually illegal downloading will be caught onto.

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Basically yes but can't see it ever happening myself, why are they picking on the average joe they should just concentrate on catching the people that download child porn! Surely!

There aren't billions of dollars to be recouped by stopping child porn ;)

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Isp's will loose custom, but under this new ''Law'' the ISP's will be made liable if they dont implement it. They can't win.

Surely a decent firewall will stop your ISP from knowing what you're doing. All they'll be able to see is your bandwidth usage going though the roof.

I'm not a tech head in any way shape or form, but I reckon there will definietly be a way around it.

If there worried about the people who make movies not seeing the money just pay 'em less. Seriously why should an actor get paid £3,000,000 for a film.

I say keep illegal downloads going and pay actors £30,000 pa max. after all they don't do any real ''work''.

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Theres also the side to downloading that is legal, for example if you already own a song (say a single on CD, ready payed for), its not illegal to download from say Limewire, as you have already own it.

Ermm, no... it isn't ;egal. You bought the cd and the law in this country currently stands as you not owning the rights to the song, but owning the license to use the song on that cd. Its also still technically illegal to copy music from cd's onto you ipod, which is something currently going through at the minute for being changed (probably because a lot of judges also own an ipod :lol:)

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People, usually kids, throw this idea around all the time without understanding what a "proxy" actually is, or the practicalities of implementing it. >_<

Correct me if im wrong,

please do.

But isn't a proxy just a "Software agent that performs a function or operation on behalf of another application or system while hiding the details involved."

therefore making said person invisible to said ISP's traffic control

Or am i being stupid?

NicP

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Correct me if im wrong,

please do.

But isn't a proxy just a "Software agent that performs a function or operation on behalf of another application or system while hiding the details involved."

therefore making said person invisible to said ISP's traffic control

Or am i being stupid?

NicP

Techically, my understanding is that the data coming from the proxy will almost always be unencrypted meaning that packet inspection by the ISP is possible.

As for the practicalities, what proxy server provider is going to allow an enourmous amount of bandwidth to pass through them for free? And if they end up charging then they'll become targets for the aurthorities. Not to mention you'll have a load of people using anonymous proxies with a poor privicy policy that will result in: a) data being mined by the operator, even if you only use it for torrent traffic etc. there's a possibility, B) traffic logs can be easily obtained by someone with a court order.

Don't get me wrong, I'm far from an expert (as seen here!) as it's been a while since I even looked into such things. I'm sure another tech guy can clarify matters.

And it's moot anyway, the government doesn't exactly have a great track-record in implementing legislature that has anything to do with the Internet, and their record of major goverment IT systems speaks for its self!

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A proxy is on the 'other' side of your ISP though. So it'll hide your IP address from certain websites/servers, but it won't stop your ISP knowing what you're doing. It's like this:

Computer - ISP - Rest of the internet

Computer - ISP - Proxy - rest of the internet.

The way to get around it is to use encrypted traffic. That way, the ISP has no idea what is being sent. If you are using torrents/limewire, your ISP might have a good idea what you're doing (since torrent traffic uses specific ports and connects to (sometimes) hundreds of other users) but they wouldn't be able to prove it. At the moment, encrypted traffic isn't really widely used and only certain torrent clients support it. So you might get slower speeds. But if this system comes in, more people will use encryption I'd imagine.

The problem is that the ISPs have no problem with you copying what you like. So there is no incentive for them to change their ways unless forced by the government etc. But even if it is introduced, it sounds like a lot of work for the ISPs so they probably won't bother.

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The Music industry is trying to put pressure on the ISP's to enforce it, but the ISP's are arguing that it shouldn't be their job to police the internet, hence it's at a stand off at the moment. Even if it does become policed, there will be so many ways round it, it'll be laughable.

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Most probably another scare that won't actually go anywhere...slow news day. Happens all the time with this kind of things. I lose count of the amount of times I read 'ISP's crack down on illegal downloads'.

I think the approach will develop into more into seeing the end of unlimited download services. More and more ISP's seem to be moving into 'pay per download' sector; and most of those will see P2P as unfair usage and will charge you for it.

Regulating ISP's is a tough job, a much simpler method would be to regulate the P2P software providers - but I assume its all scare tactics. The internet has developed into an uncontrollable source of data, and those who wish to 'exploit' it will continue to do so, because they have the knowledge to do so.

But at the end of the day, controlling the illegal downloads is about as controllable as the drugs trade.

I think the message to the music industries should be;

Release something worth f**king buying and we might just f**king buy it!

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the way i see it, the problem is the cost. an album on itunes costs £9, a months rapidshare membership costs me £6.

the way i see it, if itunes reduced album prices to 50p an album. then id be buying albums off itunes. and its not like theyd lose anything. because chances are the people that pay for albums on itunes, would just buy more and so still spend almost the same.

but youd get a load of people who use rapidshare/torrents, not using rapidshare/torrents

same with lost/pb.

and the same with films, make films £1 a film to download and keep. and i wouldnt download as many, but id pay for them all. rather than paying for none.

also, surely if this happens, people will just use passworded zip files(much like they do now) with strange file names(much like they do now) and use rapidshare, of course, if the files wer found out, wed get a strike for it. but i think people would still take the risk.

either that, or itll go to the old 56k ways again, where we pay £4 to get a dvd with 40 albums on it. once a month via ebay

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the way i see it, the problem is the cost. an album on itunes costs £9, a months rapidshare membership costs me £6.

the way i see it, if itunes reduced album prices to 50p an album. then id be buying albums off itunes. and its not like theyd lose anything. because chances are the people that pay for albums on itunes, would just buy more and so still spend almost the same.

but youd get a load of people who use rapidshare/torrents, not using rapidshare/torrents

same with lost/pb.

and the same with films, make films £1 a film to download and keep. and i wouldnt download as many, but id pay for them all. rather than paying for none.

also, surely if this happens, people will just use passworded zip files(much like they do now) with strange file names(much like they do now) and use rapidshare, of course, if the files wer found out, wed get a strike for it. but i think people would still take the risk.

either that, or itll go to the old 56k ways again, where we pay £4 to get a dvd with 40 albums on it. once a month via ebay

Agreed

I'd much rather have an actually physical copy of something, like the proper dvd or cd, rather than downloading it, as i like to own it and be able to look at the cd artwork etc and all that crap, but cause everything is so fcuking expensive i cant be fcuked to buy it. 15-20 quid for a dvd is a rip, a tenner is more like it. And a fiver for a cd would be ok. Plus renting dvd's takes the piss tody aswell. almost a fiver to rent a dvd for 1 or 2 nights from fcuking cockbuster is stupid when i can download it within a few hours and have it to keep for free! Rant over.

Peace.

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