Si-man Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Found this article about downloading illegally and what could happen if what has been said about it becomes law...Illegal downloadingDiscuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hitcher Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Doubt there'l ever properly introduce it, I mean, most of the country would be banned off the net. Plus couldnt you just swop Internet companies if you get banned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 3 strikes and you're out. It's a bit of a stupid rule really! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgieporgie Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 (edited) gay Edited February 12, 2008 by georgieporgie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bondy Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Well if it was put in place, it would be rather amusing seeing all the customers simply going to a different ISP and them losing lots of custom, plus im sure all the 'techy' people out there will find some way around it. It's probably just another way so that they will scare some people into stopping doing it.Whilst on the subject, from what i gather 'backing up' DVD's that i've already bought is not illegal or wanting to get it on my ipod, as long as im not using it to sell onto anyone or anything like that, then is it illegal for me to download a copy because none of the software out there ive found can get rid of the protection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Scarlet Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 I'm just wondering how easy is it for them to catch you illegally downloading content.I mean if it literally pops up on their computer that one of thier customers is illegally downloading, then they could stop millions.Only problem with that is the ISP will loose custom as stated.Theres also the side to downloading that is legal, for example if you already own a song (say a single on CD, ready payed for), its not illegal to download from say Limewire, as you have already own it.In this circumstance for example, how will the ISP's be able to know if you already have the content or not if they will be giving you warnings or banning you at the click of a button?I think it would need developing, but eventually illegal downloading will be caught onto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class Clown Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 So will i get f**ked over if i download from limewire then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boswell Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 So will i get f**ked over if i download from limewire then?Basically yes but can't see it ever happening myself, why are they picking on the average joe they should just concentrate on catching the people that download child porn! Surely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrbanPoet Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 (edited) Basically yes but can't see it ever happening myself, why are they picking on the average joe they should just concentrate on catching the people that download child porn! Surely!There aren't billions of dollars to be recouped by stopping child porn Edited February 12, 2008 by UrbanPoet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicP Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Proxie ?NicP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrbanPoet Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Proxie ?NicPPeople, usually kids, throw this idea around all the time without understanding what a "proxy" actually is, or the practicalities of implementing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixed Pants™ Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Cba to write much, i'll just say that i'll stop downloading music and films if it does come into play, but it doesn't say anything about appz etc But yeah, wouldn't ever work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Quigley Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Isp's will loose custom, but under this new ''Law'' the ISP's will be made liable if they dont implement it. They can't win.Surely a decent firewall will stop your ISP from knowing what you're doing. All they'll be able to see is your bandwidth usage going though the roof.I'm not a tech head in any way shape or form, but I reckon there will definietly be a way around it.If there worried about the people who make movies not seeing the money just pay 'em less. Seriously why should an actor get paid £3,000,000 for a film.I say keep illegal downloads going and pay actors £30,000 pa max. after all they don't do any real ''work''. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Theres also the side to downloading that is legal, for example if you already own a song (say a single on CD, ready payed for), its not illegal to download from say Limewire, as you have already own it.Ermm, no... it isn't ;egal. You bought the cd and the law in this country currently stands as you not owning the rights to the song, but owning the license to use the song on that cd. Its also still technically illegal to copy music from cd's onto you ipod, which is something currently going through at the minute for being changed (probably because a lot of judges also own an ipod ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicP Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 (edited) People, usually kids, throw this idea around all the time without understanding what a "proxy" actually is, or the practicalities of implementing it. Correct me if im wrong,please do.But isn't a proxy just a "Software agent that performs a function or operation on behalf of another application or system while hiding the details involved."therefore making said person invisible to said ISP's traffic controlOr am i being stupid?NicP Edited February 12, 2008 by NicP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrbanPoet Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Correct me if im wrong,please do.But isn't a proxy just a "Software agent that performs a function or operation on behalf of another application or system while hiding the details involved."therefore making said person invisible to said ISP's traffic controlOr am i being stupid?NicPTechically, my understanding is that the data coming from the proxy will almost always be unencrypted meaning that packet inspection by the ISP is possible.As for the practicalities, what proxy server provider is going to allow an enourmous amount of bandwidth to pass through them for free? And if they end up charging then they'll become targets for the aurthorities. Not to mention you'll have a load of people using anonymous proxies with a poor privicy policy that will result in: a) data being mined by the operator, even if you only use it for torrent traffic etc. there's a possibility, traffic logs can be easily obtained by someone with a court order.Don't get me wrong, I'm far from an expert (as seen here!) as it's been a while since I even looked into such things. I'm sure another tech guy can clarify matters.And it's moot anyway, the government doesn't exactly have a great track-record in implementing legislature that has anything to do with the Internet, and their record of major goverment IT systems speaks for its self! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixed Pants™ Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 A proxy is similar to remote assistance on MSN, it connects so you don't have to (kinda thing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicP Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 i stand corrected like you saidit probably wont happen if it doesit doesNic P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 A proxy is on the 'other' side of your ISP though. So it'll hide your IP address from certain websites/servers, but it won't stop your ISP knowing what you're doing. It's like this:Computer - ISP - Rest of the internetComputer - ISP - Proxy - rest of the internet.The way to get around it is to use encrypted traffic. That way, the ISP has no idea what is being sent. If you are using torrents/limewire, your ISP might have a good idea what you're doing (since torrent traffic uses specific ports and connects to (sometimes) hundreds of other users) but they wouldn't be able to prove it. At the moment, encrypted traffic isn't really widely used and only certain torrent clients support it. So you might get slower speeds. But if this system comes in, more people will use encryption I'd imagine.The problem is that the ISPs have no problem with you copying what you like. So there is no incentive for them to change their ways unless forced by the government etc. But even if it is introduced, it sounds like a lot of work for the ISPs so they probably won't bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 The Music industry is trying to put pressure on the ISP's to enforce it, but the ISP's are arguing that it shouldn't be their job to police the internet, hence it's at a stand off at the moment. Even if it does become policed, there will be so many ways round it, it'll be laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anzo Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 (edited) Most probably another scare that won't actually go anywhere...slow news day. Happens all the time with this kind of things. I lose count of the amount of times I read 'ISP's crack down on illegal downloads'.I think the approach will develop into more into seeing the end of unlimited download services. More and more ISP's seem to be moving into 'pay per download' sector; and most of those will see P2P as unfair usage and will charge you for it.Regulating ISP's is a tough job, a much simpler method would be to regulate the P2P software providers - but I assume its all scare tactics. The internet has developed into an uncontrollable source of data, and those who wish to 'exploit' it will continue to do so, because they have the knowledge to do so.But at the end of the day, controlling the illegal downloads is about as controllable as the drugs trade.I think the message to the music industries should be;Release something worth f**king buying and we might just f**king buy it! Edited February 12, 2008 by anzo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 I think the message to the music industries should be;Release something worth f**king buying and we might just f**king buy it!Too true!£14.99 for a Spice Girls album? I'd rather make love to a cheesegrater.Then again, I wouldn't download that tripe either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam F Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Was just on the news about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish-Finger-er Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 the way i see it, the problem is the cost. an album on itunes costs £9, a months rapidshare membership costs me £6.the way i see it, if itunes reduced album prices to 50p an album. then id be buying albums off itunes. and its not like theyd lose anything. because chances are the people that pay for albums on itunes, would just buy more and so still spend almost the same. but youd get a load of people who use rapidshare/torrents, not using rapidshare/torrentssame with lost/pb.and the same with films, make films £1 a film to download and keep. and i wouldnt download as many, but id pay for them all. rather than paying for none.also, surely if this happens, people will just use passworded zip files(much like they do now) with strange file names(much like they do now) and use rapidshare, of course, if the files wer found out, wed get a strike for it. but i think people would still take the risk. either that, or itll go to the old 56k ways again, where we pay £4 to get a dvd with 40 albums on it. once a month via ebay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hitcher Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 the way i see it, the problem is the cost. an album on itunes costs £9, a months rapidshare membership costs me £6.the way i see it, if itunes reduced album prices to 50p an album. then id be buying albums off itunes. and its not like theyd lose anything. because chances are the people that pay for albums on itunes, would just buy more and so still spend almost the same. but youd get a load of people who use rapidshare/torrents, not using rapidshare/torrentssame with lost/pb.and the same with films, make films £1 a film to download and keep. and i wouldnt download as many, but id pay for them all. rather than paying for none.also, surely if this happens, people will just use passworded zip files(much like they do now) with strange file names(much like they do now) and use rapidshare, of course, if the files wer found out, wed get a strike for it. but i think people would still take the risk. either that, or itll go to the old 56k ways again, where we pay £4 to get a dvd with 40 albums on it. once a month via ebayAgreedI'd much rather have an actually physical copy of something, like the proper dvd or cd, rather than downloading it, as i like to own it and be able to look at the cd artwork etc and all that crap, but cause everything is so fcuking expensive i cant be fcuked to buy it. 15-20 quid for a dvd is a rip, a tenner is more like it. And a fiver for a cd would be ok. Plus renting dvd's takes the piss tody aswell. almost a fiver to rent a dvd for 1 or 2 nights from fcuking cockbuster is stupid when i can download it within a few hours and have it to keep for free! Rant over.Peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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