ghostrider88 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 The obstacle I talk about was 5 or 6 rollers one after other so you had to kinda roll it up without too much of hopping, it was in motorex section. Anyways, you might have noticed Gilles got hella lot better at kickers this year and again managed to clean kickers kenny fived. So I believe he can do anything he wants to if he trains for that puprose. In Canada, it was big shock for pretty much every rider who was there I guess since noone expected that, putting kicker in almost every section was so unexpected as if they put 150cm sidehop at the end of the section in every one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 2001: the Vail worlds in Colorado, they had the traditional rock sections then one in the main area that was all wood and more "ramp"ish... The hardest part of all the sections was here, a wooden built "half pipe" where the riders had to drop in from one box and make it to the other side up to another box. Practically no one could do this, I would say the average 15 year old bmxer could do it with style. People were just pedal kicking down to the bottom then trying to get up it, many failed to drop into the transition and just ate it. The Coustelliers personal videos, and taste, have always been poor. Only when someone else gets behind the camera can we experience their riding for what it is (was?)...Even then they were forcing people to use linkin park songs only... ... my cell phone films in 1080, this was an abomination. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 2001: the Vail worlds in Colorado, they had the traditional rock sections then one in the main area that was all wood and more "ramp"ish... The hardest part of all the sections was here, a wooden built "half pipe" where the riders had to drop in from one box and make it to the other side up to another box. Practically no one could do this, I would say the average 15 year old bmxer could do it with style. People were just pedal kicking down to the bottom then trying to get up it, many failed to drop into the transition and just ate it. The Coustelliers personal videos, and taste, have always been poor. Only when someone else gets behind the camera can we experience their riding for what it is (was?)...Even then they were forcing people to use linkin park songs only... ... my cell phone films in 1080, this was an abomination. Damn. It's sad that so many riders these days are THAT one-dimensional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 The hardest part of all the sections was here, a wooden built "half pipe" where the riders had to drop in from one box and make it to the other side up to another box. Practically no one could do this, I would say the average 15 year old bmxer could do it with style. You do realize that 15yo BMXer most likely wouldn´t be able to pedalkick gap 3ft.?And does that make him worse BMXer? I would say no, it´s not a part of BMX after all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 BUT, trials (comps) is about getting up over & across obstacles, a kicker is an obstacle, I don't think it's really excusable if you can static gap 9ft & sidehop 5ft, yet not be able to use a child size skateboard kicker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 BUT, trials (comps) is about getting up over & across obstacles, a kicker is an obstacle, I don't think it's really excusable if you can static gap 9ft & sidehop 5ft, yet not be able to use a child size skateboard kicker. Doing 7ft hooks of kicker is fairly impressive to me? On the other hand u ramp is something totally useless and has no place in trials. And I´m very possitive that sidehoping 60inches is much harder than droping in ramp and jumping out of it. Number of people who can do it only proves it. I don´t get this argument anyway, Gilles is numerous world champion, he is the best at what he is doing, why should he do something else? For bunch of streetriders on forums? I have no problem to believe he would be able to learn aforementioned thing if there was need to,but there isn´t and he obviously only care about winning competitions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 2001: the Vail worlds in Colorado, they had the traditional rock sections then one in the main area that was all wood and more "ramp"ish... The hardest part of all the sections was here, a wooden built "half pipe" where the riders had to drop in from one box and make it to the other side up to another box. Practically no one could do this, I would say the average 15 year old bmxer could do it with style. People were just pedal kicking down to the bottom then trying to get up it, many failed to drop into the transition and just ate it. The Coustelliers personal videos, and taste, have always been poor. Only when someone else gets behind the camera can we experience their riding for what it is (was?)...Even then they were forcing people to use linkin park songs only... ... my cell phone films in 1080, this was an abomination. Quoted for reals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 the issue I have is that modern comps seems to be about who's spent most time in the gym rather than who's been out riding the most. I'd much rather see more technical stuff than big power moves. Plus I don't agree that ramps has no place in trials, They used to have high jump comps in trials much like they used to in Mototrials. Leon's point about getting over anying put in your path is a valid one and a point I agree strongly with, what's the point in being a trials rider if you get so specialised in sidehops and backhops that you can't ride down a ramp and up the other side. Again in Japan they had a section on a BMX racetrack (timed, with penalties for distance covered), this was only a couple of years ago too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) Doing 7ft hooks of kicker is fairly impressive to me? On the other hand u ramp is something totally useless and has no place in trials. And I´m very possitive that sidehoping 60inches is much harder than droping in ramp and jumping out of it. Number of people who can do it only proves it. I don´t get this argument anyway, Gilles is numerous world champion, he is the best at what he is doing, why should he do something else? For bunch of streetriders on forums? I have no problem to believe he would be able to learn aforementioned thing if there was need to,but there isn´t and he obviously only care about winning competitions. If it's in a comp section, then it's nothing to do with street riders, it's an obstacle. It's a really basic & easy thing to do, which I think at that level is a bit embarassing if a 15 year old bmxer could do it, anyone's capable of it, it's just a lack of open mind & the desire to get by doing just 3 moves, I've seen it first hand locally. Im not talking about riders like Kenny who are well rounded, I'm talking about Andrew's story. He didn't mention bad conditions or weather so I assume that people just had no idea how to get airborn with a ramp. Saying a kicker has no place in trials is part of the reason there are so many (shit) vids like the one that started this topic Edited January 10, 2013 by LEON 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 My point is there aren´t any ramps at comps, why should they train them???You don´t see soccer player train tennis either, it wouldn´t be very usable I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 For the very reason that....on this occasion a ramp DID turn up, and no one could do it, using a kicker is not like hooks or advanced moves, any decent rider could get it dialled over a weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 You can only guess what´s reason and what is consequence...It was 12years ago, let it go...If it really was hard thing to do, I´m sure there would be ramps at every comp, I don´t know who would be interested in them though, I certainly wouldn´t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) To add a bit of variety & action, will they really always be this stale? Comps are pretty dull most of the time, and I don't think the obstacles should be dictated by some riders unwillingness to step outside their TGS bubble and learn a new move or two. If they had a wide variety of obstacles that required a bigger bag of moves I bet a lot more people would do them, they'd be more appealing & more popular. But hopping around on a wet rock in the woods on a Sunday afternoon....No I'm ok thanks. Great vid though, I look forward to his next one.... Edited January 10, 2013 by LEON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 After two comps ramps would be boring, ramp is only a ramp, unless you expect them to pull some flairs and tailwhips in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shercofray Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 After two comps sidehops would be boring, sidehop is only a sidehop, unless you expect them to pull some flairs and tailwhips in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 You can sidehop to left/right side, taking of off rock, root, concrete pipe, spool etc. Tell me how ramp can be different?Bigger or smaller?Ramp is the most boring obstacle for TRIALS ever made. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shercofray Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 I'm thinking use the kicker or ramp or whatever you want to call it, to mount larger obstacles like how TRA uses them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 U Ramp is ramp,kicker is kicker big diff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alle.C Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 For the very reason that....on this occasion a ramp DID turn up, and no one could do it, using a kicker is not like hooks or advanced moves, any decent rider could get it dialled over a weekend. the thing is that the Elit comp riders absolutely know how to use a kicker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 So they bloody well should! lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 the thing is that the Elit comp riders absolutely know how to use a kicker They don't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Must feel f**king awesome taking off a kicker when your bars are pointing towards the floor. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Gething Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Must feel f**king awesome taking off a kicker when your bars are pointing towards the floor. I think that is also part of the reason why they can't ride kickers very well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Must feel f**king awesome taking off a kicker when your bars are pointing towards the floor. Scary as fook lol, I´m glad I don´t have to ride them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alle.C Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 They don't they do of course they all aren't the best at it, but most of 'em are good at it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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