dave85

go on then, prove that :) peyto and desalvo make uci style frames

hmm, dont want to stoke the fire, but streetjibs has a point, the first zoo frames had some pretty poor welds. The one i saw had bits of welding rod sticking out here and there, bad runs, grinding marks etc. As he pointed out, that was the first frames of echo and zoo, and lots of them broke (es and em series, lynx etc.) deng is a clever man, he's making frames for peanuts, selling them for a fortune, and each time we get bored of a brand, he makes a new one and sells a shedload more frames for very little design change. In any case, i'd rather have a well thought out frame than an innovative one thats been made for innovative's sake. Almost all aluminium frames have the same front and rear triangles, just different tube forms, dropouts and gussetting. Steel is limited by the conservative outlook of the main tubing manufacturers, thats why most steel frames look the same, its not through want of imagination.

No chance

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In my experience, mild steel doesnt work very well either, i ended up using EN24 (im not sure what that will be coded as in your part of the world) and its lasting well.

Machine a new one if you can, original echo axles are absolute rubbish, and a mod one wont fit.

(Y)

you'll need some kind of spacer, cassette/bb ones are the right size :)

If you're not using the other three and theyre just taking up space, thats fine :(

Get it up to adam read, it'll only be gone a few days and he knows what he's doing.

Its not unknown for squaddies to piss in landrover radiators to get them back to base, but i wouldnt like to drive through town like that :rolleyes:

Leisure lakes

hmm, having "colourful world of viz" on your headset sounds like your advertising a very gay theme park...

That'll teach you to pick a girls colour (Y)

monty hubs, surprisingly, which are probably just as expensive and i read that they arent ISO standard anyway.

probably about 33 and a half, viz cant get much right

'to err is human, to really f**k things up takes a computer' Humans still set and grind the tools that the machines use, cock ups can happen :-

Equally it could've been one BB from a batch made wrongly, and they've rectified the problem. That page is at least two years old from what i remember :-

Its a Goldtec, couldn't tell you which one though.

mount for shifter on downtube, someone's thinking....

If by competition only you mean weak, then no, theyre both strong frames (Y)

Fast cars generally have better brakes and roadholding too ...

Don Leeson, a great authority on vintage jap bikes, he raced suzuki's. Dont know about anyone else but i'm going for a quiet ride and a think now.

It may just need the front recess on the bash boring out slightly to make it fit snugly, otherwise i cant see what else will need doing. Hacking the old bash mounts off is a fairly easy job, file and hacksaw does me fine :(

best of both worlds :( 24" does seem to come with a ridiculous amount of "street mentality" baggage though. Its put me off getting one, but this looks just the ticket.