Well , it took a lotta pesistence , a few scary loopouts off the back and all your advice , but I can confidently state that I can now roll a decent controllable manual . Actually the overzealous pullups that spat me off the back were invaluable lessons , teaching me exactly where my bike's pivot point is and that I won't crack my skull open if it goes wrong and my fears dissipated . Many thanks for all your advice , it really IS all in the legs although you can read that a thousand times but untill you feel that point where the bike strangely seems to become lighter and you can just stay there without corrections ( as Mr.Bongo mentioned ) it's hard to implement . It also really helped to stay loose and relaxed and kinda "feel" rather than think in a Zen / Jedi proprioceptive sort of way . Better still - having made some major advances already , manuals became easier still when I recently bought my first fat drilled proper trials rim and shod it with Schwalbe's excellent Big Betty . I ain't no Felix Mucke , but I'm now confident enough to not only roll manuals just for the Hell of it , but to actually USE and incorporate them into lines . I realise this is "Happy thread " material , but given that the advice offered here helped me loads , hopefully bumping this thread may be useful to others seeking a deeper understanding of the fundamental underlying workings of the universe .