Jolfa Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Sure is trials, however you will probably rip it in half after about 10 minutes riding!What makes you say that? Ever ridden one? Know anyone who's had one? I've never heard a bad review of an Orange Zero, just because they havn't got a 2" frame doesn't make them crap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-REX FATTIMA Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 What makes you say that? Ever ridden one? Know anyone who's had one? I've never heard a bad review of an Orange Zero, just because they havn't got a 2" frame doesn't make them crap!got a point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 What makes you say that? Ever ridden one? Know anyone who's had one? I've never heard a bad review of an Orange Zero, just because they havn't got a 2" frame doesn't make them crap!Do you see many around today?No, thats because most of them cracked round the bb area like the Zebedi frames did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolfa Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Do you see many around today?No, thats because most of them cracked round the bb area like the Zebedi frames did.No, because everyone wants 'modern' bikesSo I take it you never have had experience with one?I can't say I ever heard of one cracking (maybe because I've not been in touch with the scene for 6 years, I dunno ) But I've seen these frames take some serious thrashing and are still going now! Talk to anyone who's ever had one and they'll rave about them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 My Pashley's never cracked/snapped and i've owned and ridden that frame from new....And it's nearly 10 years old !Anybody who says old bikes are shit is narrow minded and quite frankly, a wanker.Jarrod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 No, because everyone wants 'modern' bikesSo I take it you never have had experience with one?I can't say I ever heard of one cracking (maybe because I've not been in touch with the scene for 6 years, I dunno ) But I've seen these frames take some serious thrashing and are still going now! Talk to anyone who's ever had one and they'll rave about them!Yeah, you're right... Everyone in the trials world wants a modern geometry bike. No street riders around at all. No sir.And yes, i have had plenty of experience with them, thanks! You say you've been out of touch for 6 years, and yet you're trying to argue they don't crack.I've got some proto MAD forks in my garage that are still in 1 piece and are about 5 years old. I can pretty much bend the fork legs in with my hands so they touch. If i whakced them on my rig today, doesn't mean they're not shit forks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-REX FATTIMA Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Yeah, you're right... Everyone in the trials world wants a modern geometry bike. No street riders around at all. No sir.And yes, i have had plenty of experience with them, thanks! You say you've been out of touch for 6 years, and yet you're trying to argue they don't crack.I've got some proto MAD forks in my garage that are still in 1 piece and are about 5 years old. I can pretty much bend the fork legs in with my hands so they touch. If i whakced them on my rig today, doesn't mean they're not shit forks!shut up i dont want a modern bike its why ive gone for an old 01 t-rex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolfa Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 You say you've been out of touch for 6 years, and yet you're trying to argue they don't crack.I didn't say they don't crack did I? No frame is invincible! Just never heard of or seen one crack, please feel free to show me some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0zzy Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 shut up i dont want a modern bike its why ive gone for an old 01 t-rexmate 01 aint that old, the bike you have got has fairly modern geometry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 I didn't say they don't crack did I? No frame is invincible! Just never heard of or seen one crack, please feel free to show me some Quoted from Biketrials.com:Used Product For6 MonthsStrengthsstrong,looks goodWeaknesseschainstaySimilar Products Usedleeson clear 660,saracen x-ile+x-tortReviewthis frame is hardcore and wel fun to ride, the chainstays are quite short and the front is long but not too long so u can still do bunny hops easily.the small(10inch)frame is well good i love them, im on my second bcoz i snapped the right hand chainstay near the bb and loadsa people have,but otherwise its solidUsed Product For6 MonthsStrengthsLooks amazing... inspires confidence because its so damn beefy, and the downtube is gorgeous!WeaknessesManufacturing quality... Unfortunately the first one I owned came to me brand new with a Bent back end... they had misaligned it in the jig. They then replaced it with a 2002 model which performed fine until the driveside chainstay-dropout weld crackedSimilar Products UsedPace RC250t, Planet X Zebdi, Echo ES2, Echo PureReviewThis was my first 26" frame I owned. It looked so nice and rode quite well, not as well as some, but well enough for me back then... it's just a real shame they didn't make it well enough. The first frame was just disappointing really, the back end being squiff from stage 1. On it's second chance a weld cracked, which isn't really on. Maybe I rode it too harshly, who knows, but 6 months isn't enough for £400 UK.Used Product ForTested OnlyStrengthscolour.WeaknessesThe size is too small, chainstay, too beefy, looks ectSimilar Products UsedBrisa, Echo, zoo ectReviewThis frame is far too over priced and is not that strong.Used Product For2 Years or moreStrengthsgreat balance, and stabalityWeaknessesweak chainstays.Reviewthe Orange frame is quite long, great stability and balance. one problem for me was the right chainstay that snapped, many others who have rode this frame have had this problem. it has lasted me for 2 and a half years and now sits in my room with the rest of my snapped frames, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 (edited) I'm with Woody on this one.The majority of old school trials specific frames (as in Pashleys and Zeros, or thereabouts) had faults like cracking, which is inevitable for products with no real background to go on.Progressions have been made from them, and have helped to shape where we are today.Just because something's old, doesn't mean it's bad, however there's a general (I use the term loosely!) trend for the newer products to be better, as there have been more previous examples to look at and learn from.I've heard/seen a few broken Zeros. Yeah, they rode nicely, looked cool as hell, and were popular, but they did break from time to time.You can't assume that because somebody has an opinion you don't agree with, that they are wrong, or that they don't know what they are talking about. This may be the case from time to time, but still...edit; Just seen the above post.Haha, Woodman, well played! Edited January 28, 2008 by Monkey Boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolfa Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Ok, words - eatenBut I'm sure even modern frames still crack eventually..? Obviously new frames will always be better, lighter, stronger thats evolution, but it doesn't mean the older stuff is shit and not even worth glancing at! Give it 8 or so years, see how many bad reviews of the present Echo's and GU's and more modern bikes are floating around on the net.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 To say that old trials frames are shit is a ridiculous thing to say. Maybe, it's got something to do with trials riders in general having a "Bodge it" approach to bike maintanence and care. I can appreciate that modern trials riding is hard on a bike, but old bikes were designed to be ridden compeletly different ! And if you ride them within there limits they'll last as long as you want them to. I've been quite harsh on my Pashley, and my Fatty's but both are in spot on condition.Riding an old bike with care is fun, and you'll get an attachment to it. Not like these new frames that you throw away every year.Jarrod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 To say that old trials frames are shit is a ridiculous thing to say. Maybe, it's got something to do with trials riders in general having a "Bodge it" approach to bike maintanence and care. I can appreciate that modern trials riding is hard on a bike, but old bikes were designed to be ridden compeletly different ! And if you ride them within there limits they'll last as long as you want them to. I've been quite harsh on my Pashley, and my Fatty's but both are in spot on condition.Riding an old bike with care is fun, and you'll get an attachment to it. Not like these new frames that you throw away every year.JarrodNobody said they were shit as suchSome of it is down to a 'bodge it' approach, but no more so than with newer framesThe thing is, the limits were different when those frames were designed/made than now. If you ride a newer frame 'within its limits' then of course it'll last as long as you want it to!Not everyone buys a new frame every year, however with the second hand market as strong as it is, it's easier to change frames if you want something a bit different. It's a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisbikefix Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Be quiet, dont give an opinion when you have nothing to base it on!http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/2002_Freestyle...uct_87475.shtml4.44 lbs = 2.02 kg...so fairly light!lighter than: simtra st-1, echo control 07, pitbull 07, czar ivan....the list goes on!haha see old school rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 He ain't gonna get anywhere near what he wants for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 It's a good spec - Old Skool rules too.Just because it's old doesn't mean he should sell it for nothing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Riddlers Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Thats a ridiculous price!I paid £250 for mine with top spec too.Yes old skool bikes aren't as strong, but then the technology wasn't around the to make them super thin, super light and super strong.I love mine. It rides a treat on street. And Ive even taken it over dirt jumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 But I'm sure even modern frames still crack eventually..? Obviously new frames will always be better, lighter, stronger thats evolution, but it doesn't mean the older stuff is shit and not even worth glancing at! Give it 8 or so years, see how many bad reviews of the present Echo's and GU's and more modern bikes are floating around on the net..I don't think so. Zeros were notorious for ALWAYS cracking in the same place. It was a design fault - or at least a design oversight, since no one could really have forseen it. They tried to make the chainstays too short without using a BB yoke, so the tubes had a big kink in them and a small weld area at the BB. And they all broke. Nowadays, pretty much every frame has a CNC yoke there which pretty much avoids this problem. People do destroy frames these days, but not as much. Also, they're destroyed in many different ways, different places etc. They're not let down by a design fault, just battered into submission by overuse. Which is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANNI BOI Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 (edited) orange zero what a great bike :)id say it has done me fine:)'been ridin it for a long time but now i have moved back to 20inch and got a t proand yes there is an almighty differnce bettween the two bikes:)how much are they worth are zeros worth ???i got mostly all oldschool stuff like..old school fattys:)oldschool xtr on frontrear 33 very oldschool front wheel hope on a mavic something loland a hope pro 2 aon a rhini lite rear wheelbut the let down of my bike is the onza t bird cranks:(lolo wel i am looking forward to going back to 20inch and finally bein able to throw my bike around againlol:)GOOD OLD ORANGE ZERO:):) Edited February 2, 2008 by DANNI BOI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squeaky Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 yep thats a trials just a bit old but still a cool trials bike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spode@thinkbikes Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Brings back memories. Zero with fattys will give you a 1010 wheelbase. I loved mine to bits, went through several. Just don't put a rear disc on them, those little tabs crack and break off really quickly. I had to have mine welded up with plates to withstand my hunk of weight If you got it at a good price, it's a great starter bike and most of that kit will move onto a new frame without problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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