Tim/Trialsin USA Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 A familiar freewheel in yet another name tag. 60 engagement points per revolution if anyone needed another hint. More infor as it becomes available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 I'd imagine Mike Poyzer's already on the phone, haha.But yeah, looks identical to the pre-production Tensile proto I had in that finish, 'cept that's got the partially missing, "Hopefully this makes it legal" missing parts of the extractor tabs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 (edited) That has to be one of the most ridiculous things i've ever seen on here.And this is trials-forum.TRIALS-FORUM!I hope they get shot down by the patent office. Edited August 19, 2008 by JT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsy trials matt Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 looks like a tensile with no graghics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 You're going to get shafted if you try to market that here, Onza managed to stop the Echo freewheel being sold I believe, and that was 72 EP, the only thing that Deng copied was the method of removal.I bet if we were to open that up, they would look identical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Put sealed bearings in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 good luck with that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe@Onza Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 I don't get the point of the post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara Logan-Price Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 (edited) I don't get the point of the post?Maybe to give you a heads up on a company potentially putting what is effectively your product/design into production.because maybe you hadn't spotted it ? Edited August 19, 2008 by Alex_Davies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe@Onza Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Well if that was the case, Why make a thread about it instead of a PM? It does not actually say anyone will be bringing it out. Its very hazy and its a picture of a freewheel. So I don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara Logan-Price Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Well if that was the case, Why make a thread about it instead of a PM? It does not actually say anyone will be bringing it out. Its very hazy and its a picture of a freewheel. So I don't get it.there not just gonna make it for a laugh are they Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe@Onza Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 there not just gonna make it for a laugh are theyI mean it does not have a brand on it and Tim does not state that he will be bringing out under one of his names. And the "Just when you thought it was safe" Uh? Just don't get it. Sorry, Will have to wait for Tim to explain some more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Plazmatic freewheel? Sounds cool.I think the Echo freewheels got discontinued because of their unreliable characteristics. But if they were shut down for the removal spline reason, then that is oh so very spiteful of Onza to be totally honest. Heck... it's a freakin' removal spline, nothing revolutionary, and something that the Japanese have used for their Bottom Brackets for decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe@Onza Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 (edited) Plazmatic freewheel? Sounds cool.I think the Echo freewheels got discontinued because of their unreliable characteristics. But if they were shut down for the removal spline reason, then that is oh so very spiteful of Onza to be totally honest. Heck... it's a freakin' removal spline, nothing revolutionary, and something that the Japanese have used for their Bottom Brackets for decades.Its called business, I mean if you come up with an idea and then you want to protect it. What spiteful about that? So Chris King are being spiteful if we brought out a hub using their mechanism and then they tried to stop it? Edited August 19, 2008 by Joe@Onza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 I always thought Onza were a bit harsh on that one, true it was your idea, but using a tool that everyone already has for their BBs to remove the freewheel should be allowed on other freewheels if you ask me.This plazzy one is a bit much though, it's a cheap, unsealed, 60 click freewheel that has the lockring next the the BB, that looks identical to apart from it's had some of the teeth for the tool filed off, and the paintwork on the locking sanded off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe@Onza Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 So Chris King are being spiteful if we brought out a hub using their mechanism and then they tried to stop it?If its your idea then its your idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 So who's idea was it? Either way, could have made some more effort with that freewheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Fel Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 (edited) I always thought Onza were a bit harsh on that one, true it was your idea, but using a tool that everyone already has for their BBs to remove the freewheel should be allowed on other freewheels if you ask me.This plazzy one is a bit much though, it's a cheap, unsealed, 60 click freewheel that has the lockring next the the BB, that looks identical to apart from it's had some of the teeth for the tool filed off, and the paintwork on the locking sanded off.This is a false fact.Also the words hardy har har har spring to mind. I can see this being a fun thread.Edit. If only I could whistle. Edited August 19, 2008 by Anal_Teflon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Barbara Logan-Price Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 hahah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Scarlet Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Its called business, I mean if you come up with an idea and then you want to protect it. What spiteful about that? So Chris King are being spiteful if we brought out a hub using their mechanism and then they tried to stop it?Well I believe that the BB tool used in the Tensile freewheel was originally made by Shimano, surely they could say that their tool/BB could only be for their own Shimano BB's, and that no-one could replicate this design into their own bottom bracket or freewheel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Poyzer @ Onza Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 This is a false fact.How are you able to make this bold statement. 1. I don't know how long the AC freewheel has been around but I saw a picture of it for the first time fairly recently. I know that we have been working on development of ours since the Taipei show in 2001 and preliminary sketches were there in 2002.2. Our design registration was applied for in 2004 with photographs of the freewheel.3. The Pat Pending referred to on the AC freewheel refers not to the removal system but to the arrangement of the pawls and ratchets. As far as I can see the Patent has never been granted although I could be wrong there. I am not prepared to make any comments or claims about who was the prime designer of this removal method , firstly because I don't know and secondly I don't really care. I do know however that we designed ours independently of AC racing and were not even aware of that companies existence when we lodged our design registration application. I furthermore know that it does not matter how many teeth you knock out, if it is still basically a 20 tooth spline system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Haha, I take it back now. I don't really care, I still have a Tensile and won't change it if someone offers me an ENO swap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 I always thought Onza were a bit harsh on that oneNot really, they got the patent and produced the freehweel. And is a feature of there freehweel which makes it what it is and one that has made it sell like it is. Its called business and is what you would proberly do i the position. Im guessing the freewheel has been left with no brand marking on so that it will be harder for onza to stop the production of it or if they do it won't be before they hit the shelves.Onza must have relised that people would try copying the spline interface but copying the whole freewheel with what looks nearly indentical is going to far i think and unless it retails at a superb price it won't suceed as people will pay for the tnesile brand and fact you can buy parts seperate and good warrentie.Well I believe that the BB tool used in the Tensile freewheel was originally made by Shimano, surely they could say that their tool/BB could only be for their own Shimano BB's, and that no-one could replicate this design into their own bottom bracket or freewheel?Obviously that isnt the case, may be shimano never patented it, unless you patented it people can and will copy no matter if you say dont do. As far as im aware onzas patent is on the interface not on the tool used so it doesnt matter if the tools made buy shimano as its only the interface on the freewheel that is being used and is patented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Fel Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Just because you patent something dosen't mean its your idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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