harmertrials Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 Just had a quick search but to no avail. Although I'm sure it will have been discussed on here. Looking at a pair of either 11s or 33s. Are there any noteable performance differences? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 from what ive heard, the only real difference is the material of the lever bodies and/or lever blades. probably abit more adjustment on the hs33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsquirt Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 ^ this is true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmertrials Posted January 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 from what ive heard, the only real difference is the material of the lever bodies and/or lever blades. probably abit more adjustment on the hs33 Are they a weaker ally then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsquirt Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 no just a longer lever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) Are they a weaker ally then? i honestly dont have a clue, moved over to the deng brakes a while ago and havent looked back the cnced bodies are much stronger than maguras cast counterparts Edited January 5, 2013 by Ash-Kennard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 My bro's 2011 Hs11 feels pretty sweet. Silly powerful too it seems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmertrials Posted January 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 It seems to me that the hs11 is cheaper and better? Given the lever length Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 they make hs33's in 4 finger lever too. and hs11's in 2 finger levers. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 Works the same as the 2011 Hs33, and is cheaper. Jakes got the 4 finger option, and like I said is sweet. He's running it on his Limey 320, and has no more flex than the last 05 he ran. Hasnt leaked either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradJohnson Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 The new hs11s are made from hardend plastic instead of metal like the older one. So if you water bleed your brakes the lever body can swell causing the brake to leak! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmertrials Posted January 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 PLASTIC?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) The older HS11's were made from plastic Brad? The newer ones are Maguras own proprietary composite...from what I can see the hs33 and 11 are the same material. Edit: some kind of carbon composite, I assume similar to the one used on the MT series of disc brakes. Edited January 5, 2013 by Alex Dark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials owns Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) from what I can see the hs33 and 11 are the same material. Aye, I bleed my brand new leaver with water, Soon leaked after at the piston seal.... EDIT was a hs11 new style Edited January 5, 2013 by trials owns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmertrials Posted January 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 I had a 2011 33 and that never leaked with water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradJohnson Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 The older HS11's were made from plastic Brad? The newer ones are Maguras own proprietary composite...from what I can see the hs33 and 11 are the same material. I was comparing against the older hs33, I forgot about the older hs11s as I've never run one. What I find with the never maguras is if you ride every day like I do is you get problems, I've had 4 2011 hs11s I poped the seals in every lever And with my current one which is about 4 months old, my slave pistons are sticking. Try source some pre 04 racelines, best brakes by far, due to the massive lever piston they feel so solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customrider-Rhys Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 if your gonna go to a new hs go for the hs33! there stronger, not made of plastic so will last longer! dont bleed with water though! i was told today that they actually have more power than an 05/10 maggie due to there lever postion with a 2 finger lever, and my mates 4 finger lever is silly powerfull! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 lets get this straight..... new HS11 and HS33 are exactly the same other than colour, one is not stronger than the other, one is not more powerful than the other (if same lever blade is used). Brad, older 2004 levers used the same 14mm piston as the 2005 and 2011 style brakes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake. Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 new HS11 and HS33 are exactly the same other than colour, one is not stronger than the other, one is not more powerful than the other (if same lever blade is used). So the only difference is colour? Weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 and the lever size hence the "if the same lever blade is used" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 well, technically both the HS11 and HS33 come with either 2 finger and4 finger blades, it's just that Tarty only sell one option of each as there seems to be little point stocking all of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) there were small changes too between 2011-2012 HS11/HS33 and 2012-2013 HS11: -T25 torx bolts (heavier+un-necessary) -non-metallic clamp -new lever blade made of formed sheet material+insert instead of solid blade. -matte black cover functionally the same. not sure if 2012-2013 HS33 keeps the old solid lever blade contruction. Edited January 6, 2013 by marko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxx Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 there were small changes too between 2011-2012 HS11/HS33 and 2012-2013 HS11: -T25 torx bolts (heavier+un-necessary) -non-metallic clamp -new lever blade made of formed sheet material+insert instead of solid blade. -matte black cover functionally the same. not sure if 2012-2013 HS33 keeps the old solid lever blade contruction. Yeah I agree ! I don't understand Magura, they do strange things : I thought all things listed by Marko were only for the 2012/2013 HS11 (maybe because they want hs11 look and be "inferior" to the hs33 - they were exactly the same until this) BUT I've seen one 2012/2013 HS33 with torx bolts, plastic clamp and 'solid one piece' lever And I've also seen one 2012/2013 HS11 with normal hexagonal bolts, metallic clamp, but the lever with the insert in it. So what's wrong with them ? Do they really do what they want ? You can now buy a HS11 wich is almost (apart the colour and protection) a HS33 and vice versa ! Can some guy of Tartybikes (or another guy who notice it) explain it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 And they both leak like f**k after a couple of months when used for trials. Might be ok for normal cycling but us trials riders must pull loads harder or the lever to f**k the lever as we do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Can some guy of Tartybikes (or another guy who notice it) explain it ? Do they really do what they want ? You got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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