i have saints on my kona stinky, and i love them, they piss over any other crank ive run (24/7, dmr mk2, truavtive hussefelt, raceface diabolous, middleburn, etc) they arent all that hefty either regarding trials use, they would be fine for an all out street rider looking for strength, who doesnt wish to run shitty small bearing isis bbs or have the weight of 3 piece hones are essentially lx (or xt i cant remeber which) cranks with a different bb i think? i read a review in dirt about it, they dont have replaceable pedal inserts either (if that bothers anyone?) currently, i dont think there really is a better crank out for extreme use (raceface diabolous cranks suck majorly)