seats on stocks for sure, i love having mine, it looks feckin class trouble is you have to spend time and money on a good seatpost and seat combo, if they are all high and chubby looking, they look gash, but a nice low profile slim seat looks lovely i dont care if it 'limits' my sidehops though or whatever, cos i doubt i will ever get a bike that high thing is, its all personal preference, i do think the clean lines of seatless bikes do make them look rather cool, and it saves weight, but having a mini seat as a comprimise just looks shit, i cant believe i ever ran 1 now...