The Quantum Of Solace

[Mikee]

i want to watch it but some people have told me it's good and some have told me its not. i will wait untill my dad buys it on dvd to find out for myself.

[basher]

I thought it was pritty pap. Where were all the bond gadgets? where was usual scenes of a hot girl naked, you could hardly call him kissing a lasses back that.

Lost its bondness i thought, also the story line was just baffling, i didn't even find out what the quantum of solace was. I got the jist of it all but it wasn't the easiest to follow.

[Haz]

Yeah, I too would have liked to have seen more

[Sam Ward]

what an epic disapointment that was. that first car chase was all wrong, no way should it have been the first scene, it just made your expectations of the film wayyy to large

the music was sheet, way to upbeat and lively, shouldve been more moody and chillaxed.

the storyline was non existant and i can only assume theyre going to do a follow on from that, which following the story of casino royale being pre 00 license and quantam leading from that am i going to see a remake of dr no, james bonds first official mission, i better f**king not

M was completely out of character, there was no q r, with his gadgets, he's using a pistol he upgraded to at the begining of his 00 career

it was all wrong, and its the name that ruined it, had it not have been a james bond film i wouldve enjoyed it, but for that exact reason i sat through the whole film cringing every 5 minutes

[Krisboats]

I guess you a "the world IS flat" kinda guy then

The old bond movies were i guess, small cornerstones for our culture yes, but the actual storylines and scripting in them was farcical. Casino royal was the first bond film i really went "oh wow" at, with the day after tomorrow being a close second. Bond was never about the gadgets and the girls, you've just been conditioned by the recent films.

There was absolutely no sense of realism to the old ones in so much as they bordered on being largely comedies. Bond isn't a superhero, he's just a man. He shouldn't be able to survive multiple explosions and massive fistfights without getting a bit damaged himself. Casino Royal was good in the fact that it gave the bond series an edge, brought them to life and turned the franchise from average christmas eve tv movies to exciting, involving and believable scenes of pure awesome. This classic scene here is a perfect example of the level of stupidity the old films presumed the audience had.

I reckon once the bond ideal has been instilled with the new style of films the more bond-like features will be brought back in. The Q branch for example. Casino Royal was very much daniel craig "becoming" bond, rather than just setting him into the role straight out the starting gate. You saw him progress and grow partially into the character we recognise (hence the bond, james bond line being at the end) and while i've not seen this one i'm hoping it shows him being far more focussed on revenge and being insanely reckless in his approach to anything and everything.

[JT!]

casino royale is before Dr. No, its when he gets his double o status.

Huh?

[Sam Ward]

I guess you a "the world IS flat" kinda guy then

The old bond movies were i guess, small cornerstones for our culture yes, but the actual storylines and scripting in them was farcical. Casino royal was the first bond film i really went "oh wow" at, with the day after tomorrow being a close second. Bond was never about the gadgets and the girls, you've just been conditioned by the recent films.

There was absolutely no sense of realism to the old ones in so much as they bordered on being largely comedies. Bond isn't a superhero, he's just a man. He shouldn't be able to survive multiple explosions and massive fistfights without getting a bit damaged himself. Casino Royal was good in the fact that it gave the bond series an edge, brought them to life and turned the franchise from average christmas eve tv movies to exciting, involving and believable scenes of pure awesome. This classic scene here is a perfect example of the level of stupidity the old films presumed the audience had.

I reckon once the bond ideal has been instilled with the new style of films the more bond-like features will be brought back in. The Q branch for example. Casino Royal was very much daniel craig "becoming" bond, rather than just setting him into the role straight out the starting gate. You saw him progress and grow partially into the character we recognise (hence the bond, james bond line being at the end) and while i've not seen this one i'm hoping it shows him being far more focussed on revenge and being insanely reckless in his approach to anything and everything.

yes im very much an old bond guy, i havent been condition by the recent films, mainly because im not a fan of them, whenever i go to grab a bond film to watch its always an old one and theyve all got crazy gadgets in them, so yes he is all about the gadgets and the girls

the whole point in james bond is that he is indestructable, he always has been so why do they show a change 45 years down the line, also the normal fight scenes he does come out pretty unscathed but theres never been a fight that intense like in the big hotel at the end. you say about ice chase is unreal in the living daylights yet you think die another day, the more recent of the films, was much more far fetched than the old ones.

in this new film jb is alot more reckless and is commented on many times, but you need to remember its just after he got his 00 license so in theory all the old james bond films should follow on and he turns into the bond that i know and love. to be honest im really quite confused how theyve worked out these last couple of films in reference to there positioning in the storyline as a whole. i also dont understand why theyve done it this way

its a true shame ian fleming isnt here to be able to right new bond stories

Huh?

casino royale is the story of jb getting his his 00 license and dr no was his first official mission as a 00

[Dr. Nick Riviera]

There was no storyline before, it's only with these two that they've done it sequentially.

[Tom_]

Loved it, sure it wasnt the same as the older ones but I still thought it was a great piece of film. Only thing I would say is that was left wide open for a sequel surley? Since I have no idea what the quantum of solace actually is, unless its the name given to the water stealing plot?

I do love the older bond films (alot more than die another day, and world is not enough) I must say, but I think it would be very difficult to re create them with todays audiences etc. IMO there was still that element of bond anyway, the odd comment such as "you will get a phone call in a minute, can you tell them im going to ciaro please?" was rather bond-esque, and the scene with the girl although a tad less full on was again still bond-esque purley in the way he treated her/didnt really know her/ got exactly what he wanted.

It was great and not totally lacking in the spirit of bond.

[Krisboats]

yes im very much an old bond guy, i havent been condition by the recent films, mainly because im not a fan of them, whenever i go to grab a bond film to watch its always an old one and theyve all got crazy gadgets in them, so yes he is all about the gadgets and the girls

the whole point in james bond is that he is indestructable, he always has been so why do they show a change 45 years down the line, also the normal fight scenes he does come out pretty unscathed but theres never been a fight that intense like in the big hotel at the end. you say about ice chase is unreal in the living daylights yet you think die another day, the more recent of the films, was much more far fetched than the old ones.

in this new film jb is alot more reckless and is commented on many times, but you need to remember its just after he got his 00 license so in theory all the old james bond films should follow on and he turns into the bond that i know and love. to be honest im really quite confused how theyve worked out these last couple of films in reference to there positioning in the storyline as a whole. i also dont understand why theyve done it this way

its a true shame ian fleming isnt here to be able to right new bond stories

casino royale is the story of jb getting his his 00 license and dr no was his first official mission as a 00

Hey? By recent films i mean "films to date, as opposed to the books". That includes Dr No, and everything following up until die another day. The books show the REAL james bond, and that's something CR and QoS are trying to get back to. How flemming intended bond to be... not some Hollywood directed chauvinistic womaniser who's jumped up on pain reduction meds. James Bond as Flemming saw him was a lot darker, with a much more sinister edge to him. He was cold, calculated and intelligent. The movies depicted him as being a sarcastic individual who didn't take anything seriously because he was immortal. Hmmm.

In that sense, you've been conditioned by the Hollywood exaggeration of the bond stories and as such you think the new ones aren't bond-enough. Ironically, its actually the other way around.

Confused to how the new films fit? It goes Casino Royal, Quantum of Solace, something in between (ie film 3) then Dr. No etc. The directors said though that these are going to be prequels into his character, but not so much into the surrounding world and older films. They're revamping the series and starting from the beginning showing how bond is REALLY meant to be.

[Tom_]

I actually read one of the books the other day, was pretty good, and very un-bond-esque, which makes no sense since the books came first. So yes, in the reality of it Dr. No through to The World is Not Enough are all really very un-bond-esque.

[Ross McArthur]

Confused to how the new films fit? It goes Casino Royal, Quantum of Solace, something in between (ie film 3) then Dr. No etc. The directors said though that these are going to be prequels into his character, but not so much into the surrounding world and older films. They're revamping the series and starting from the beginning showing how bond is REALLY meant to be.

I knew this, but what happens when "film 3" comes and goes and then it ties in with Doctor No?

Does it then go and lead on from Die Another Day?

[Krisboats]

I've no idea, though with this version of Casino Royal actually being a remake of the 1 hour US televised show in 1954 it could come to be that they actually remake Dr No as well. Who knows?

[Has anyone seen my shoe?]

Since I have no idea what the quantum of solace actually is

Daniel Craig explained it on Jonathon Ross, I cant remember exactly what he said but it does come from the book. I'll try and find the quote.

[Rumplestiltskin]

As far as I'm aware, the title originated like this:

The original Quantum of Solace was a short story published in 1969 (?) where Bond finds himself talking to an ambassador at a dinner party. The'yre talking about relationships, and the way in which they break down eventually. Bond essentially says that no matter how badly the relationship ended, and despite the effect it may have had on you, if you can take away one worthwhile thing - be it a moment, a memory, or a feeling which was a good one - then you can move on emotionally and start afresh. The one good thing you manage to salvage from the wreckage is your quantum of solace - that thing which reassures you that everything you invested in the relationship wasn't squandered pointlessly.

In terms of the film, that's what Bond is searching for. My take on it is that he completely invested himself emotionally in Vesper, only to realise he'd been betrayed and that it meant nothing at all. He's looking for something to salvage from it all, his Quantum of Solace, and since he can't bring himself to hate Vesper, it's revenge on the people who manipulated her into betraying him. He wants the satisfaction of knowing that someone payed for the cost it exacted from both of them.

Edited November 6, 2008 by Rumplestiltskin

[TomN]

I like Daniel as bond. The two films has a bit more aggressive/hardcore action to them. More realism. though i would say a lil bit more of gadget wouldn't hurt.

[Mat Tea Why]

I knew this, but what happens when "film 3" comes and goes and then it ties in with Doctor No?

Does it then go and lead on from Die Another Day?

Forget Doctor No and all the other bond films. Think of CR and QR as crossing everything out and starting again.

And don't talk about continuity, we all know the scene where the car changes sides in the alley

[Danny]

Just seen it pretty good Some of the camera work at the beginning was far too fast though.

[Jaffacakes]

Just watched it too.

Wasn't really that into it, left feeling kinda' disapointed. All the action was pretty epic, His aston would have rinsed those Alfa's though

I watched the last bit of casino royale before it, and it still didn't really have a very good begining or end. Possibly the worst bond movie in a decade or so...

EDIT: Coming to think of it, he didn't drill that fittie at the end either tut tut.

Edited November 7, 2008 by Jaffacakes

[Dr. Nick Riviera]

Why does everyone hate it so much?

[ManxTrialSpaz]

Because it wasn't cheesy enough; no helicopter in a box, jet plane disguised a horse, belt with super magnet tip and extra strength cord to be used for playing tarzan with etc.

I personally thought it was ace and I like this new bond I like the more realistic fights and knowing that he isn't a super human super agent - although I am not saying there are no non-plausible parts of it, I'm just saying there isn't parts where you immediately think "yeah, right".

[totaltrials]

Just seen it pretty good Some of the camera work at the beginning was far too fast though.

Ye I agree, the same thing happened in Eagle Eye, all the camera work was too close and fast, you couldn't really tell what was going on. I think it's just easier for them, but I always notice it and it does my head in.

It is a great film though, I much prefer the last 2 than the older versions, but I thought Casino Royal was better than Quantum of Solace, even though it was still really good.

Edited November 12, 2008 by totaltrials