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this one is modern enough that it peeled so we/I sanded what was left off with a mouse sander that gave it a 'fake grind' for a while, but that'll be long gone by now. They're only generic clear pads anyway, surely in this case any deficiency in a rim could be made up with better pads like HS yellows etc.? Rock blues make for an excellent streetable magura on me mates hex, for example, no tar - lots of slip & you add the amount of tar in relation to the amount of slip wanted. It's uncanny how, er, 'linear' it is, I've never ridden a brake like it. Put it in full trials mode and it's spot on, I should add. BTW, I have a feeling it might be that odyssey hazard lite rim you mentioned that he's running, it rings a bell.

I forget to be honest. It's black, says odyssey on it and it works to a averagely good trials standard with even that fat bugger doing a tap, I can't be any more help than that sorry. If it was trials or MTB I'd be able to help, but honestly I have about as much interest in bmx as I do scooter parts... EDIT: just google imaged it and that was the one yeah. Like with all cable brakes it working well comes from the other hardware in the chain; The lever, that cable mod thing, the quality of the gear cables used, the pads, and the manner of care and attention with which I put it together for/with him. It's all in the prep as always.

No ones in, it's raining, haven't fixed the bike yet cos I need to go fetch parts for it and its raining, but got the lappy hooked up and this cranking out othe stack in the kitchen at obnoxious levels

I know of a roadie bike 'get you home' where you use several sections of duct tape wrapped around a deformed or ripped tyre bead along the length (running left to right on your photo) of the problem area. The idea being that it builds up the bead thickness and the tyre then grabs like usual. That might work?? Can't say I've ever used this idea though... Maybe simple push down on that part of the bead from flat and inflate as usual, that's never failed for me with any sketchy 2nd/3rd/millionth hand tyres I've used. Maybe do it using a compressor so this is not a two person job?

It's annoying when people tell you what you did in your own life isn't it? Then have that feeling of having to justify yourself? You said that I was making stuff up and my opinion didn't matter (because it didn't match your experiences). But honestly, meh, I don't want to kick up a storm (again). Look like I said, you didn't need to post that stuff for me above. And again it really is appreciated. Not that you should give a f**k but, by doing that, I have all the more respect for you now. I'm now going to keep quiet.

So it turns out despite being smarmy and calling me out as a liar (I'm not starting owt) you're probably an alright egg after all. Cheers, you didn't have to do that for me . Oh and I think your printer problem has an outside chance of being a driver issue.

Spam/shite/clogware free and everything? I need BBC northern Ireland for the North West 200 and would like to watch the FIM MX2/MX1 GP motocross on Motors tv if possible because we aint got a fancy TV. Oh and the united sports car championship to see what Matt Farah was on about

Or a V70 R...

This is a reference I don't get...

My ol fella calls marquez the little shit. I've got alot of respect for the older riders like rossi, pedrosa, dovitsioso etc. but marquez? Nah. On the whole I've no time for motoGP and havent watched it since the beeb stopped doing the coverage (on freeview) and now ITV4 is doing 3rd hand scraps badly cut from eurosport and shoehorned into 50mins including ads, I can't say I miss it. Same for BSB too. Nah, road racing is most certainly where it's at. Anyone Know if BBC NI stream the NW200 coverage online? (legally, not filling my computer with crap from torrents etc.)

My bmx/mtb mate runs some apparently high end oddessy caliper, an oddessy lever with a 'london mod' setup (??? that mean owt to you? It has twin cables and no straddle) a sealed gyro and clear pads on a chrome rim. (It should be said that I barely give a shit about BMX so I know nothing about model names etc, his bike is nice and I use it for some rail peg bashing and playing chicken with c**t scooters cluttering up a skatepark i've paid hard earned to ride) The upshot is it's the only bmx brake I've ever ridden that works, all others I've ridden were heavy at the lever, had no power (like the cable was rusty) and are shit. It works when he rides it & my mate isn't called 'tank' because he's built like a supermodel Funnily enough he had/has a lacey too - a purple one.

Selfish? No, selfish is definitely the wrong word, that seems to come from a majority with a lack of understanding, but I can't think of the right way to put it. It is horrible, occasionally even life changing for the drivers/paramedics/others involved in the aftermath though, I in no way contest that.

Yes, but the frame was stretched out. I saw it in person. Disc brake was completely unusable as the disc tabs were a rizla away from the SS/CS join. Ditto the drive side. It uses a lockring from a (argos bike spec) cup and cone BB FFS. A mate omine now has it and has completely redone the job to tidy it up as it was (in our opinion) a mess - story goes that Swinny said 'just make it f***ing work' and left his mate to it. Understandably with that brief he must have just used what was kicking about. Euan's design is a far better job in terms of engineering merit, but IIRC, to skim enough off it uses the old style two bearing driver??(someone correct me by all means) This failed more than once on trials bikes thus was replaced by the NRB/EVO spec. I know the needle roller bearing is wider (check the hope tech docs) so this sounds correct to me.

The Isle of Man is a man's place, stunning scenery but harsh and unforgiving. Mabye it means more to me because i've been though Tholt-y-will many times as a link between Sulby Claddagh and the bungalow (this prob means nothing to most who read this) Re watch it with the sound on though, the pace notes are interesting to hear & you've missed the point...

If thats your thing you need to check out stuff like the Irish tarmac rally championship or the coverage of rally Isle of Man/Manx National rally and the Jim Clark rally on special stage's YT channel (2nd playlist down). Actually I've just thought of a vid that'll match yours and context perfectly as this stage is still used in this form. BRB. EDIT: Right, found it. Ripped from a Duke Video VHS - Ari Vatanen (different league of driver, I know), 1983 Manx Rally, in a peaky 275hp@7200revs works Opel Manta, defying hedges, cattle grids, low cloud, greasy Manx roads, cut slicks, up to 500m drops, and a puncture. Hope people get a kick out of this.

Freewheel? nah 3-4yr old Pro 2. I aint rough like you seem to think, just like buying security when buying parts. I never want a freewheel again if I have any choice about it. No the plate never snapped on me, but splayed in the way explained already. However I was riding/gassing today and one friend said he had pulled a 5/610 plate apart in the past. But, by his own admission, 'has no technique and just kicks harder' but has an impressive set of TGS stats to make his opinion valid enough for me, so make of that what you want.

How refreshingly tactful. It's a shame others have lost that ability - "This world is full of ar*eholes, it doesn't need another one" springs to mind. EDIT: And because you were as nice as ever, I'm going to go against my word above ^^ 1) i was/am aware of this, it's what puzzles me the most about my, quote, 'hypothesis' on the subject. 2) Because the plates are identical, I do doubt a plate would snap, but every 610 I've seen snap, ie. more than mine, splays over the pin end. 3) They definitely do. Had offcuts of both side by side in my hand this afternoon as it happens. 4) I definitely am. A good chain is cheaper than the dentist. I hate dentists. Idle robbing bast**ds. 5) Meeting concrete/wall/rock/other immovable object in a hurry or being a filling in a street furniture - stagecoach sandwich is/was not a non issue, but meh, whatever. 6) My original point. BTW what on earth were you browsing TF for at 5am on a Sunday morning? Least of all replying to my musings?

Havent watched it yet, looks like I'm not sleeping this side of 2am...

Plumbed up the gears on my latest build er, well it's after midnight so yesterday now I guess. Anyway, plumbed in the 3x9 gears using an KMC x8.93 chain, a 8spd chain on a 9spd block - something every mtb/cycling forum and link on google said was not possible and would not work. Happy as f**k because I can categorically say that this is bollocks as it works absolutely perfectly! To me this yet again proves that a vast majority of MTBers are intellectual sheep who simply follow what the manufacturers and media tell them. Feeling smug as f**k list of jobs for tomorrow er, later, off the top of the head is something like; true the rear wheel as it's a light tensioned fresh build, plumb in the rear canti, (yes, cantis front n rear! Going retro!) find a nut and bolt fort seat clamp (going ghetto!) and have a stab at fixing what I think is a total POS tube I threw in the tyre about 5/6 years ago, Ought to have ridden it round the block by this time tomorrow * all being equal. f**ks sake EDIT: * I meant later.

This is going to be my one and only reply on this, I'm not gonna go at this for 3 pages in case that's the intent here. Yup, thats the one. Which in my view makes it a not-made-up-from-thin-air direct comparison, without which I would have kept my trap shut. 610hx on an inspired with the same rohloff, well and evenly tensioned, meaning no slack or tight spots, makes teeth to concrete sensation/noises and generally makes me sh1t myself above 2ft objects, the 510hx that followed does not and feels totally solid to boot. Subsequently 610's have been dubbed by others a 'rubber band chain'. I've had better results from a £4 Taya chain from Halfreuds! FWIW that less than 30h trials use 610hx went on my '75 Raleigh roadie (as it can be used on up to 8spd cassette too, & that only has six) and it splayed a link pulling away from traffic lights two days afterwards. I mark all pins I join with spray paint, and this was on a link I hadn't touched. Does being in very realistic danger of being crushed between a double decker bus & and a traffic railing due a chain snap from a chain that shouldn't snap according to every other 610 user, sound theroretical or a 'hypothesis'?

Just to make sure, I was just being pisstakey and tongue in cheek. Thanks for the info, I realise you didn't have to do that. One of the YT comments on the vid says Jared Graves uses it, true or not idk and to be honest I don't really care, but It gave the idea some validation for me at least.

I'm just trying to help someone out by telling them about the constant feeling of imminent knee/balls to stem contact I have whenever I ride a bike with a z610HX/trialtech lite chain and how I'd urge them not to bother even considering it, yet give constuctive advice on to what I would use instead, and you come back saying I'm talking shit. When my notifications told me you'd replied 30secs after I hit post I and even now I've only just stopped chuckling at you. Now this time I haven't tagged you, let's see how long it takes. Oh and If you're in an argumentative mood and want an old school TF/youtube comment-eske flame war - nah, I'm good thanks, I've better things I should be getting on with.

Fixed! Hearing that 'boiingg' noise as the chain whips about (even under constant tension of a rohloff) and feeling that stretchy, spongy sensation of the plates trying to splay over the z610hx's narrow pins simultaneously, every time even minor power is asked of a chain is not confidence inspiring in any way. A z510HX has none of this.

That's always the aim with this kind of thing isn't it? Ghetto, looks PAF and big amounts of win (hopefully) So how did it work then guinea pig? Since you flat out stole got the idea from that vid I posted int other thread, (notifications told me you liked it, you sneaky bast ) you can at least tell me how well it works in real world conditions. More specifically, I'm seriously considering doing this on the inspired as it's recently become allergic to air and any tube I put in it, and it's starting to piss me the f**k off. It's also got two undrilled rims and beads that I believe would have no problems with this. I've also a roadie that'd be cool to convert, and I can use up the 10+ inspired tube graveyard I currently have... So in light of this, would you mind, if possible, telling me how well if retains pressure at say, 60ish psi? Inspired is 50 in the front, 55-60 in the back and roadie runs at 75-80 pound so I'd 60 overnight would do for a good test. Cheers.

The only contact with single clamp lock ons I've had say that they are crap - Yeah they clamp, but only at one end while the rest flexes and twists giving you the most horrible throttle grip sensation, and turning them round so the clamp is at the bar end is rank as well, it doesn't solve the throttle grip and put the clamp or worse the bolt under your hand; so based on that I'd say two clamp versions (and only with stainless bolts) or don't bother. Outside Idea - have you considered roadie bar tape? The gel stuff mind, not the basic stuff - never tried that but it didn't sound fun. So when I was 'I've never wanted a roadie before I got given one, so I know nowt' researching so I plumped for this Cineli stuff because all the reviews said it could be re stuck when I inevitably ballsed up wrapping it for the 1st time. I reckon one packet would do up to possibly 3 sets of normal grips and it's bloody comfy to boot. I'm considering it instead on my staple trialtech foamies next time round.