dave85 Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Theyre turbo'd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Theyre turbo'dReally? Just checked the website and there's a detailed spec on there, doesn't mention a turbo?Davey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave85 Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Had one overtake me on the way to work a few weeks ago, could plainly hear a turbo whistling away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Had one overtake me on the way to work a few weeks ago, could plainly hear a turbo whistling away.You speak no word of a lie, just found it on MSN cars section, the engine is an updraded version of the 2litre turbo sport. So yeah, it's turbo'd!Davey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 As i keep saying, i'm pretty sure such a car doesn't exist standard from the factory for public purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 As i keep saying, i'm pretty sure such a car doesn't exist standard from the factory for public purchase.A few have been found though haven't they, can't rememmber what, few pages back or something?Davey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyroo Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 I can only think of one production engine that properlly achieves this and its Japanese and in a two seater. The S2000 developes 240bhp from a 2.0ltr engine, and I THINK thats the highest output from any production 2.0ltr engine.Because power is (basically) torque x rpm, and na engines are notoriously low on torque compared to a turbo'd engine, you need a larger capacity to gain extra torque to create more power (like 5.0 litres in a V10) or the rev band needs to be collossal.So... In this little hunt the engine needs to be one that revs a huge amount (the S2000 revs to 9k rpm, only developing all its power right at the red line) to gain all that power from such a small capacity unaided, and only the Japanese really exploit that, european engines not being over-engineered enough to rev that high without breaking...The mk3 RS Clio does get bloody close though! Give or take a few bhp dependant on the bedding in process, most could be making 10% more (but some less) than the quoted 197bhp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prawny Baby Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 The mk3 RS Clio does get bloody close though! Give or take a few bhp dependant on the bedding in process, most could be making 10% more (but some less) than the quoted 197bhp10% more? thats another 20bhp andy...... very unlikely theres that much variation in engines!also, the fact that they call it the 197 would suggest to me that many wont hit that figure...... as surely if there were much varitaion it would sound better calling it the 200 if any made 200bhp?also, arnt the french cars measured in PS? meaning its 197PS< which is a little less in bhp>? i could be wrong on that one, just a thoughtI can only think of one production engine that properlly achieves this and its Japanese and in a two seater. The S2000 developes 240bhp from a 2.0ltr engine, and I THINK thats the highest output from any production 2.0ltr engine.the b16a2 engine also does this easily, making 165bhp from a 1600cc Vtec motor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattOnTheBmix Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 why have i wasted so much time reading this?! some guy got it earlier game over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OD404 Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 10% more? thats another 20bhp andy...... very unlikely theres that much variation in engines!also, the fact that they call it the 197 would suggest to me that many wont hit that figure...... as surely if there were much varitaion it would sound better calling it the 200 if any made 200bhp?also, arnt the french cars measured in PS? meaning its 197PS< which is a little less in bhp>? i could be wrong on that one, just a thoughtthe b16a2 engine also does this easily, making 165bhp from a 1600cc Vtec motorb16b makes more, circa 180bhp from 1598cc.To be fair, there are numerous Honda engines that fit the bill (F20c, K20a, b16a2, b18c, the list goes on). The downside to this is that they are already highly tuned in n/a form, so you can't get as much out of them for "reasonable" money as you can some other popular n/a engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyroo Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 10% more? thats another 20bhp andy...... very unlikely theres that much variation in engines!also, the fact that they call it the 197 would suggest to me that many wont hit that figure...... as surely if there were much varitaion it would sound better calling it the 200 if any made 200bhp?also, arnt the french cars measured in PS? meaning its 197PS< which is a little less in bhp>? i could be wrong on that one, just a thoughtthe b16a2 engine also does this easily, making 165bhp from a 1600cc Vtec motorIts 197bhp cos its 200ps, like the Astra VXR is 237bhp or 240ps... I think Engines can vary by as much as ten percent... maybe its just five percent either way, but there is definately a ten percent margin in it. The max power an engine will output through bedding in is only usually seen at about 60k miles when the engine is fully bed in and the ecu re-maps to take this into consideration (on reasonably modern cars anyway)But there is definately variation, some peeps with 182's are only pushing 160ish bhp where as some 172's are closer to 180bhp... all standardIt definately seems like high power cams are the most efficient way of getting power out of an na engine, but seeing as turbo's are cheaper, theres not a lot of use for them any more. Its a shame cos a car coming on cam always sounds soooo good compared to a dull turbo whine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisRider Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 compared to a dull turbo whine...you take that back i love the noise of my turbo: 'weeeeeeeeee', dip clutch change gear 'pssssssss', let off the clutch again and accelerate 'weeeeeee'-makes me grin anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyroo Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 you take that back i love the noise of my turbo: 'weeeeeeeeee', dip clutch change gear 'pssssssss', let off the clutch again and accelerate 'weeeeeee'-makes me grin anyway[Easy Tuning Envy]Never![/Easy Tuning Envy] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipkickbs Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/data-d...spx?deriv=16780???????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/data-d...spx?deriv=16780????????????Turbo'd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prawny Baby Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/data-d...spx?deriv=16780as dave said.......its the same engine as my 1.8 T, but with a bigger KO4 turbo..... also, the later ones put out 225bhp, not that it makes any difference! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisher Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 I think Mazdas Korean isnt it?And aren't the new golf GTIs turbo'd? Please don't slap me if that's stupid of me.Edit: I think that NSU does it if Wankel rotorys count as N/A.it depends which golf it is. There is a 1.8 turbo and standard 1.6 and 2.0 versions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the666ers Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Trouble with the honda engines is they make f/a torque...not much good as soon as there are people/ballast in the car.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadChikken Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 (edited) you take that back i love the noise of my turbo: 'weeeeeeeeee', dip clutch change gear 'pssssssss', let off the clutch again and accelerate 'weeeeeee'-makes me grin anyway1) A supercharger sounds better2) A V6 at high revs sounds better still3) A V8 is the greatest sound on this planet4) A supercharged V8 is just............................................................................Edit: DAMNIT! I forgot a highly tuned A-series engine with split webbers on a straight cut dog box! Nothing quite like the sound of that hurtling around country roads! Edited January 31, 2007 by MadChikken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dave Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 (edited) yeah a series power all the way...my uncles mini racer, 1380 - weber - sc dog box - 6grands worth more 140 bhp errr does that fit the bill 6 pages on ive forgot the rules!Daveedit: ok perhaps i lied its a 1425 Edited February 1, 2007 by Mr Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Easy1999 Alfa Romeo 156 JTD (2.3) Produces 230bhp!!! 5 Seats, 4 doors etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucky Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 jtd??turbo deisel???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 plain JTD - The turbo diesel isn't "standard" says the Alfo Website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitbat Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Reanult Clio Sport, 2.0 Litre engine measures in at 100bhp per litre?Does anyone know which car is the right one yet?Frooty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 think the clio is turbo'd though aint it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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