I agree with you. Although I'm not a christian, actually consider myself an atheist, I do support christian values on practical grounds. It is clear that if people don't kill, don't steal, don't commit adultery etc society is going to be a better place which works more smoothly. As for some other religious values such as the Jehovas Witness mother who rejected being given blood to save herself on religious grounds and then died leaving her children motherless - what a load of CRAP. (IMO) Therefore if religion improves peoples lives and makes a better world then I have no problem with it, just isn't personally for me. Phil