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Yet people buy the steel frames for how they feel, or at least some do. Seems like a no brainer to me. But whatever, not like i have a 24" to be moaning on about My front bmx wheel actually just gave up. Think it's getting on for 5 years now, so pretty good. But i still opt for 48h over 36h despite that wheel holding up. First Sapims i broke too, so quite good!

Damn, that snap! Good to see Bristol getting a bit of trials hammering again

Never fails to make riding 24" look awesome. I think when you nail flips they will be awesome, nice and loose but with a sense of control at the same time. Definitely one of favourite 24" riders to watch.

In no direct relation to the discussion between you guys, but i was making a point earlier about lower cost frames, and this guy fits in. The "can't afford", "don't want to afford" and "simply it ain't worth that" (for whatever reason), are all different groups of people a cheaper frame would appeal to. You have a second hand Inspired JD? And you're no douche with money so it's clear you are in either the "don't want to afford" or "simply ain't worth that", a possible cheaper line may of enticed you. But it's hard to say if that would devalue the company or not, but i mentioned that before i suspect. Still, i don't feel Inspired are directly responding to customers wants. Forgive me if wrong, but where on earth are the steel bars at still? I make the presumption that everyone would prefer steel over ali bars ofc. I'm also baffled with the lack of 36h love too, but that may just be me again

Not sure an Alu Koxx frame (Koxx being notorious for having a very limited life is the best example tbf(!)) but i understand the point, and it makes sense. But i did think that was the point of using a high end factory and producing high quality parts was to eliminate these problems happening, including poor behaviour on the factory owners front. Which does now make me think would a cheaper factory be beneficial? Especially seeing as such small batches are being produced after all. I've had cheap bmx and cheap trials frames, while noticeably they would have something not right with them, they'd be worth the little money. Sure Inspired will never produce frames at that kind of cost, but edging closer with one line would grab many more buyers. Gsport is an odd one. I think their problem was the Odyssey side having too much of a say. And a arsehole consumer is always going to be an arsehole consumer, it doesn't matter how idiot proof a pump is, i bet somebody will break it cause they tried to pump up an F1 tyre or something. Dunno about the geo changes thing. I see close to noone asking for geo changes on a Fourplay year after year, as you would of thought TF would be the place tbf as people who ride are generally here at some point in time, but that now is irrelevant if there is no safe route around large batches if that is the truth overseas quality bike factories are still wank. Without back reading i think my main point of the whole discussion was price. Still even if the factory were safe to produce a large batch for a 2 year stock as an example, a new idea/ design for a fork doesn't have to be on the market straight away, Inspired own the market so they do have leeway. The UK 24 market is also very controlled with Tarty controlling what's available too. Sure worldwide there may be an issue, but i'd like to think the 24 market has got to be around at least 50% with the rest Europe taking a 30% if not more on the figures. Again not that it makes much of a difference now. Your frame level example is benefited by the ability to produce a new line to fill the top slot, which means changing the production line, which costs money. But once again, now you've said the high factories are not reliable, it makes sense to change the line if you have to put a new order in anyway. I don't disagree there. What else you say is just marketing after that, which no longer comes down to bike performance, just that it's new. There's a fine example of guy in here (first few posts), saying he wish he'd waited a few weeks to get the new one cause of the colour. Nothing about being able to get a cheaper bike. Those people fit nicely into the group with "money burning a hole" i posted yesterday, they'd happily buy anything, which is to why the Arcade line of the group of bikes i mentioned would be the one he's targeted too. Not sure if that makes sense, but it does dammit. I don't think i ever disagreed with the marketing side of pretty new bikes make money, just not every line needs follow suit. A budget line could happily sit in the back row surely. Well truth be told on the Console i had then, nothing would of fixed it. Joke! But seriously though, if i had rode it with brakes like a trials bike it would of probably been okay. But yeah another run of the mill trials bike ain't for me as many others who evidentially moved on. Ben and James' bikes are gash. Try doing a manual on Ben's, it's actually funny. I could probably ride a rocking chair better than James' too. I rode yours and Ali's both feel fine, but still laid back style. My current bmx isn't mega hunch back either, but not high either. It's a maxed out steerer with top loader and 8.3" bars, which are 26" width essentially making me stand taller. And Rocca's i find nice now too with the new frame, yet he has monster bars. I would just like to see a cheaper frame available without the bonus features and the forks not be gurt long.

I suppose i can't disagree with people feeling hyped about trying the demo bikes out and wanting them, probably being i'm just picky, but had assumed others would take price into consideration. I had never rode the Console with steel forks, which is why i wanted them, as thought it would keep that front end in place. Sorry if i hadn't made that obvious/ had jumbled my words. I'm pretty sure the Console i had was different to what's available now, not by much, but it means i can't draw up the stats so to speak. Basically to me, the frame i had felt like it wasn't trying to do anything different to what the Element did, except be slightly more nimble. It was like they took the Element and decreased it by a percentage. Every time i get on one i swear it feels like i'm laid back. The bike to me just doesn't feel amply agile in all parts of the bike, and i like stable bikes. Go figure... I don't really get your point. How can updating a frame lead to price reduction, surely a single large batch of the final tested proto would be a much cheaper option. I'm fine with them updating what they want to update, but surely any strength issues should have been caught through the initial testing and therefore leaves nothing else of any mega benefit to be needing an update. I understand how the Fourplay becoming the "budget" Element benefits the consumer, but when that Fourplay roll gets filled by another new model it negates any cost benefit from production. But as said i don't know the ins and outs, so if it is just a marketing game that works then i certainly am wrong. But from a production perspective it just makes no sense to me with all these bikes all filling such a small niche market.

True, i knew there was a brakeless model, haven't eaten so brain malfunction. This insinuates (lack of a better word right now?) about money going into a model that isn't required. Or at least that was a point i was trying to make. I'm not sure the range of Inspireds is good for what i believe could be better. Who really wants a brakeless bike? Sure there are a few i know, but only a few and having disk only mounts doesn't negate too much from what a brakeless bike offers, price, strength, weight. Although possibly a bad example seeing as removing a frame from a production line early is hardly going to cost much more. But i think it does help my point of it being an un-needed line. I know my choice of bikes can be quite oddballish, but i don't believe what i would like to see should be the line, but should of been a consideration or merged with another line. The names you mentioned would all go into the "can't be bothered with what little else there is on the market and just bite the bullet", except James ofc, he goes in the "Dad with too much money" group, hah. I suppose you could interpret "can't be bothered" a few ways, but it simply means what little there is, is not soo goo. And equally important, did all of them feel 100% about sinking that much money into a bike? Not saying they shouldn't, or it wasn't worth it, just £1500 is a fair whack. Knock a 1/3 of that off and you've got a holiday for example, or keeping your car on the road. And seeing as riding is rather important to a lot of people for whatever reasons, they justify the purchase because there isn't another option. And the ones who can't justify the option, (myself and others), don't part with the cash. The one i had, had no steel forks, and i did say to them it cannot be ridden like that, the front end was way too light. I would like to make one work to a certain standard for me if it were "affordable". I believe the Console is far too close to the Element, or at least the grey model Element in terms of how it rode. But near all the aluminium lines are far too similar to each other too. While being extremely unfamiliar with business, in my head this kind of line up would be probable: Arcade as is Console as is. But would be better to be replaced with the Amp. Amp (that's the name i'm giving it), large frame design adjustment and slight geo modification. Budget model. Addresses the gap between mtb and 24"/bmx. Flow or Element as is. Budget alu bike for trials. Or just produce one Alu frame (fourplay) and have different full bike builds instead. Fourplay as is. Premium alu line. Skye. As is. (sells on name alone) Giving only 4 frame sets. 1 colourway per frame, per year. No optional extras, only the obvious disk and mag, or disk only. I wonder how many Arcades sold versus the Consoles. I also wonder if any of those choices were even because of the geo rather than the price. I had already let Inspired know my thoughts on the Console. Sure it's a fine bike, cannot question the quality or company at all, but it's just a bit *sigh* each time a new line comes out or a colourway. As for cheat lines, trials is notorious for random backhops in lines or fakies, manuals that seemingly start or end from nowhere, and generally speaking mistakes that appear in every other line (cause it literally is) that get ignored. Sure we all do the odd setup or preload hop and pedal kicks, but they really have no clue. It's like doing a footjamwhip on the floor, or a tailwhip out of flyout. Please leave my eyesight. It's not to do with skill either, or it is, but i mean i can watch lesser riders on a bmx just do some cool stuff even if it's not actually that difficult because it was never intended to be.

They decided to ditch rim brakes altogether? Did i imagen it or was there a brakeless model too at one point? Still don't know why Inspired are doing things the way they are doing things still. Small batches of multiple different frames? I can't see the figures from where i'm standing, but from what i can see the current market for Inspireds is: Dads with cash burning a hole in their pocket and they see it as the ideal bike to play on, kids who must be the next big thing and therefore must have the cool best bike or other riders who can't be bothered with what little else there is on the market and just bite the bullet. I bet if there was an actual affordable bike without the bows and ribbons it would increase sales, but you could say it would devalue the business and i know Inspired is a reputable brand. Shame as i know myself and others would really enjoy just thrashing one about, but don't want or need or the bells and whistles. Bells and whistles don't mean strength or reliability. I'm sure that guy will do some real nice videos provided he doesn't follow the current rule of cool and use that aweful pop music and cheat every other line. He does have some cool barspins.

Not any busier here to be fair. Last topic on first page of trials chat is 5 days old.

That was a really nice barspin on a mod Given the amount of riders exist i imagen somebody has done it elsewhere 10 years ago. Nothing against you ofc, just most people would be surprised what's already been done. Depends on the execution imo. Take the older mod riders, they can make spins look sweet, while Joe Bloggs on his Inspired still can't make a 180 look reasonably nice. Generally speaking though, any bike that is quite scooterish or weightless is always going to result in the rider having a naff style imo.

Subbed. Be good to see other people again.

Suppose i could pop some wheelies

Don't mind a bit of TGS when it's like that. Business as always there.

I need some team toast action now

Really really good as usual. Great compilation of different moves too. Do you ever not go out and not film? Seems like endless amounts of different spots with quarterly year videos for the past few years. But i suppose it's the new spots that inspire you, or at least that's what i found.

Glad i signed on to TF this monday morning. I can only hope we die today, otherwise there's no point later on seeing as it's only a four day week.

Hate to say it, but previous arguments have always had guilty parties on both sides, be it tgs or street. Nice riding though, not into the edit, but balls out drop gaps for sure.

Funnily enough, i've never even received an answer to the question, but i can imagen the answers. Fitness will be the harder thing to get back.

We just need more Radfest/ Tarty days events, that aren't at the same location Also group rides coming back. Didn't we used to have a Member Organised Rides forum? Comps aren't going to get popular any time soon with people just enjoying hanging out, having a laugh, power wheelies/ silly tricks and doing sidehops/ tgs. The comp scene just doesn't suit these people. Can appreciate the lack of money being available, but the majority here just don't give a shit about riding over moss in the rain with no shower after.

Loved that game! Pretty easy to complete, but being able to mech around was cool on the PSX. This game looks so shit now, but at the time it was amazing. Before my riding time, no surprise there though. The keep uppy sac thing was soo crappy.

Fiiiiiiiiiiine. Talk about movement physics.

Didn't that come out ages ago. Oh wait. #pcmasterrace

The onlybikes ones are always good to watch.

Well it was over 10 years ago, but now you mention Nitro i do recall a little. Like i said, i can't be sure

Ah well, the memory lives on in my heart