Canardweb Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 (edited) Hello, After having made a frame myself with 6061 Aluminium, I have found out I probably made it too light because the tubes are really fragile (dented one with an allen key...) and also my welds are not the best quality ever. I penetrated too much into the tubes and that causes flex and even more fragile frame. Whenever I ride it, it flexes a hell of a lot. With pedal kicks I manage to make my rear wheel rub onto the pads that are setted 4 mm away. Also the frame isn't stiff at all and makes a frightening cracking noise. So I decided to forget making my own frame and relying on someone I had an excellent experience with. That is Marino, of course. When I rode the Marino Comp (Panther, or phanter for those who remember), which was the first frame I had ordered from him, I hated it, but that is because I didn't rode it with a 20" stem. Trying that on my current geo works perfectly well. So what I am riding now is pure comp geometry as this is what I ride the most. It's 1100; +70; 380; 72HA with a chain fully tensioned. I decided to go for something a bit shorter, but also higherso make the reach a bit shorter, more nervous and that you can rotate faster in sections. So I finally decided to go for 1090; +80; 375; 72.I asked for the same features (gussets, welds) than for the marino comp except for the triple seat tube which was useless considering the way I had designed it. I fully trust Marino's work now so I only sent my plan: and he sent me the first photos here: Update 21 May 2011 Here is the text I asked on my frame. All the text will be written in black colour. I had to change a little thing in the geo. The Chainstays will be 380 instead of 375. Not a big problem, just a bit less nervous, but more stable once on the rear wheel. Here is the frame so far: Update 27 May 2011 So, I had some news 3 days ago but had no time to update this stuff. So he sent me these pictures that show a nearly complete bike. It just needs gussets to be welded, brake mounts to be welded, heat treatment, and paint. That's how it is at the moment: Here you can see the additional welds I asked for: That's the rear of the frame: And now for the tire clearance, as you can see there is plenty! And that last picture is to check the tire clearance with the 380 chainstays, considering this tire is bigger than what I will use, Iam pretty happy with it: I asked for brake cables attachment! Update 1 june 2011 He sent me this picture to show the BB gussets he will add. They are bigger than the ones on the first version I had. Then this is the frame finished in the oven. No chrome paint yet, just the prepaint has been put on right now. I guess he will paint it today. I received my Try-All light tires and my No War black rear rim today as well as my rockman in CNC backing pads. This bike is going to be awesome! Update 2 june 2011 SO, this morning I had a great surprise checking my mail! Loads of photos had been sent! The first one shows the bike after painting. Now the frame is finished, he only waits for his stickers to arrive to stick them on! So I shall wait a long time only to have them I guess... The next photo shows the rear triangle area And this one shows the front end: On this photo I realized he added a gusset I didn't ask for. Now I asked for this type of gussets on the first frame, and a friend told me it was going to be quite useless so I removed it. Now it's on, so there is not much I can do abut it. Let's hope it doesn't put too much stress in this area! This photo shows some quite nice features he added that can play the role of brake booster. One thing I regret on Marino frames is the weak rear brake area, so maybe these gussets will change this point! And one last photo to show the gussets on the chainstays: Update 2 June 2011 These are the first stickers applied. He is getting the last sticker tomorrow hopefully! I think the new Marino sticker is pretty nice! Made in Peru of course! Update 21 June 2011 Here is the first picture of the complete bike. I rode with it today at the demo and I must say I like it really well. Very stable, very predictable, the rear brake is very stiff without brake booster. I feel I am already used to it. Update 13th July 2011 I put a disc brake on the front because I wanted to try disc brake. I absolutely love it, and I feel this is what I missed on my bike. I tend to roll when I make a front wheel transfer so this is ideal! It is a BB7 203 mm that I ordered on Tartybikes (Thanks lads for the usual awesome service!) mounted onto a Trialtech Disc fork with a Hope adapter. My cat likes the bike pretty much. She keeps rubbing her head on the new fork... Thanks! Edited July 13, 2011 by Canardweb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dd Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 Very nice! When did you get the last update? He sent me picture of almost complete frame with just hs mount to be added and sprayed. That was 2 weeks ago I emailed the guy 3 times to ask for any updates, but nothing, no replies! I payed for express delivery, so normal person would understand that I would like it as quick as he can finish it. What the hell!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 Cool, How come you didn't make another one yourself? If the tubes dented easily, you just needed thicker tubes. And your welds would only get better with practice. Keep us posted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canardweb Posted May 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 Very nice! When did you get the last update? He sent me picture of almost complete frame with just hs mount to be added and sprayed. That was 2 weeks ago I emailed the guy 3 times to ask for any updates, but nothing, no replies! I payed for express delivery, so normal person would understand that I would like it as quick as he can finish it. What the hell!? For my first frame, he did the same! I think he always does this when he has nearly finished a frame, he tends to begin something new before finishing what he is doing. I had my last update tonight at 4 am! Tell me if you have news man! Cool, How come you didn't make another one yourself? If the tubes dented easily, you just needed thicker tubes. And your welds would only get better with practice. Keep us posted! No, I prefer trusting someone with experience and also making a business that is worth it work. Also getting new tubes would cost a bomb. When I was at school, it was cheap as I didn't pay, but now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 There's a very good chance that there are people on this forum who eat less often than you change frames. Good luck with this one, looking forward to seeing your next one this evening! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canardweb Posted May 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 There's a very good chance that there are people on this forum who eat less often than you change frames. Good luck with this one, looking forward to seeing your next one this evening! I don't understand why you say so... Can you explain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i like cunning stunts Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 Wouldnt you be better off just buying a rockman / koxx which is the geo your after as the marino is gonna weigh over 2kg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 Wouldnt you be better off just buying a rockman / koxx which is the geo your after as the marino is gonna weigh over 2kg? I guess not as the geo he is getting the new frame made to, isn't the same as what Koxx or Rockman have out at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canardweb Posted May 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 (edited) Wouldnt you be better off just buying a rockman / koxx which is the geo your after as the marino is gonna weigh over 2kg? I guess not as the geo he is getting the new frame made to, isn't the same as what Koxx or Rockman have out at the moment. What he said, and Rockman's frames snap and Koxx's frames cost a lot. Update in the first post! Edited May 21, 2011 by Canardweb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dd Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 So he finnaly sent out my frame, not sure why he was taking so long... Good luck with getting your quicker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canardweb Posted May 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Thanks man. I hope you'll get yours fast! What geo is yours? What style etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leistonbmx Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 The Chainstays will be 380 instead of 275. Not a big problem Quite a large difference... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canardweb Posted May 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Quite a large difference... Cheers. Fixed btw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 What stem are you gonna run to compensate for such a high bb? Figure you'll need to run something like 125-150mm length, and 25-30 degree rise. Im kinda surprised that you didnt go for a 120mm headtube instead of 110mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canardweb Posted May 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 What stem are you gonna run to compensate for such a high bb? Figure you'll need to run something like 125-150mm length, and 25-30 degree rise. Im kinda surprised that you didnt go for a 120mm headtube instead of 110mm. Trialtech 150 x 30 as on my current bike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh_side_2003 Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 i love my marino to bits!! yes its a bit weighty, but not un managable,but feels so nice to ride, so flicky and spot on on the back wheel !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canardweb Posted May 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 (edited) UPDATE IN FIRST POST i love my marino to bits!! yes its a bit weighty, but not un managable,but feels so nice to ride, so flicky and spot on on the back wheel !! Weight is not really an issue considering the fact that I use quite light components. So the weight will be near 9 kilos. Which is pretty good. Stuff I wait for the bike: - Try-all light tires - Heatsink "Coustsinks" pads - Headset - Rockman rear and front black rim(although I am considering keeping the trialtech rims on my bike, if you can help me decide...) - Rockman light black cranks (although I am considering keeping the try-all on my bike, if can help me decide on that too...) Thanks! Edited May 27, 2011 by Canardweb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 This is going to look so nice Chrome will look pretty lush too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 Looks so clean and minimalistic. Would love to see an anodized finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross McArthur Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 Heat treated? As far as I know he doesnt do that, nor needs to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canardweb Posted May 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 Heat treated? As far as I know he doesnt do that, nor needs to. After painting he does so. I just don't know if it needed a special word for this step as it is not for the cr-mo (I believe you understood so) but only for the paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 I just don't know if it needed a special word for this step "Drying" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirt jumper jake Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 Apart from the drop outs, i really like it. so clean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canardweb Posted May 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 "Drying" ...Well it also helps getting a better paint surface... Apart from the drop outs, i really like it. so clean What's with the dropouts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_zoo Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 not trying to be rude but, how much is it costing you to have the frame made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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