Unlucky-brakless Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 I decided I want to go brakless after continues problems with brakes .im really enjoying brakless but im finding it hard to get on to the back wheel and staying there . I would also be grateful for some other tips thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) One tip....FAAAAAAAASSSSSSSTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRR Sorry I probably could have been more helpful...chain tension is how to stay on the back wheel. Don't pull your front end as high and perch o the chain tension before preloading!! Edited January 8, 2012 by ben_travis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalopS Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 HOLD ON TIGHT! and watch lots of videos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 to stay on the rear either : A. find a slope B. change direction with the hops (ie go in a circle on the rear wheel) or C. be f**king careful not to gain any forward momentum. Try and keep just enough pressure on the pedals to keep the front up but not go forwards. keep the front end as low as you can and counter with your weight far back and low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKidney Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 In my short (but massively fun, yet annoying) time riding brakeless, I found that: - Angling your bars back helps. Lots - A freewheel with plenty of engagments makes it easier too. - Start on a slope, and gradually work your way to level ground - PRACTICE!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 - Angling your bars back helps. Lots. Also - if the backwheeling in question is preceding a sidehop or similar, you can nudge yourself backwards from the wall with the front wheel and use the backwards momentum to keep you in place. P.S. - Just note... You're finding it hard because it IS hard. It might well require quite some determination to get past it, but you'll get it if you can endure the frustration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 When I have brakes I do a little kick to get to back wheel. If you do that brakeless, you lose As soon as I learnt to almost do a little 'English hop' from static to put the back wheel in front of me more (whilst keeping my weight further back) it meant I could stay on the spot better rather than rolling forwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 When I have brakes I do a little kick to get to back wheel. If you do that brakeless, you lose As soon as I learnt to almost do a little 'English hop' from static to put the back wheel in front of me more (whilst keeping my weight further back) it meant I could stay on the spot better rather than rolling forwards. That right there is a tip I wish someone had told me sooner! Definitely taking the bike to work tomorrow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andeee Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 Buy a full face helmet unless you want to lose your face or teeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 wut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 Mark - WTF is an english hop....i know about the body position you are talking about but...an english hop? no idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) Mark - WTF is an english hop....i know about the body position you are talking about but...an english hop? no idea Back in my village where we [edit: k]new next to nothing about the real biking scene - we always had it said that an American hop was like a normal bunnyhop - front wheel up and then jump - where an English was lifting both wheels at the same time. Also sympathize with Ali's confusion over Andeee's "tip". Edited January 9, 2012 by aener Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Swales Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) Mark - WTF is an english hop....i know about the body position you are talking about but...an english hop? no idea This. EDIT: Oh wait, I think I remember something about this from way back in the day. Is it a hop where both wheels come up at the same time (as opposed to an 'American style' bunny hop where the fron end comes up first)? EDIT 2: Flipp got there while I was typing mine! Edited January 9, 2012 by Ben Swales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 I always had the same definitions as Flipp, and 'English' was known as a bit of a stepping stone to American when I learned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalRobbo341 Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 Quite a bit of brakeless in this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 More useful tips, in my opinion (was tired last night Some have already been said - just putting everything I'd advise in one place) : -Taught chain helps, but not essential if you get over it. Mine's loose 'cause my wheel moves about a bit, but you get used to compensating so don't overly-worry about it. -Again - high number of engagements - but mine's rocking 64 at the minute. Get used to that, too. -Faster helps with almost everything. -Harder tyres. Gapping to 90 is about the only way to stop after the gap if the landing is too short to wodge. I found with "normal"ish trials pressures the tyres often fell off the rim. Much nicer once you get used to that, too. -Roll the bars back a bit. Nicer for everything, I found. Slightly different centre of gravity compared with riding with brakes. -Might want to experiment with a slightly higher front end. 5-10mm of stackers might well be enough, but you might find you want a higher stem. -Really exaggerate body movements - especially of the "sucking up" variety. -Going up stuff, lean forwards a fair bit more than you think necessary. -Learn to go up to 90 both ways. I'm suffering heavily for not doing so at the minute. With regards specifically to backhopping: -Position yourself a fair bit further back on the bike. -Keep arms and legs much more bent than with brakes. -Start facing up a slope. Much easier. When going to flat, start by nudging backwards off something. When you're comfy with the positioning, try and do it as Mark said. I find sort of "squeezing" it through easier, but then I seem to be the only one to do it that way. Not seen anyone else do it, so it might just be me. (By "squeeze", I mean push the bike forwards and lift the front up at the same time, and push your hips down to "squeeze" the bike through underneath you.) Don't take these as "rules". They're just suggestions for techniques/ideas that I personally find to help. I think brakeless is far more susceptible to individual preference and technique than with brakes. It's such a young and inexperienced sect of riding that there hasn't been enough time for hard-fast guidelines to have arisen - so take everything everyone says in here with rather a large pinch of salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 The only real tips I can give are rather simple: - Learn to love crashing, you'll be doing it a lot. Off of things, into things, up things, round things. I make sure I laugh during/after every stack. - You need more power in your legs (especially front foot) than you ever did riding with brakes, either get yourself in a gym or concentrate on just how hard you're pushing. Technique wise, I'm as f**ked as any other beginner so can't offer anything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) regards "english hop" - didnt realise we still spoke in terms that old. haha. now i get it though. I tend to just lean back and pull the front end up. as if i am doing a manual is how i think about it. there are somethings in aeners that are really good ideas. primarily; going to 90 both ways chain tension front end height. JD's learning to crash alot and laugh is a good one! my final tip; EDIT: stick with it. its not easy, and if you believe it IS easy you are less likely to succeed. simple really (had to edit as it didnt make any sense whatsoever...work is draining me today) Edited January 9, 2012 by ben_travis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 get some strong wheels too Pedal tension is key for nearly everythig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Dale Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 Buy a full face helmet unless you want to lose your face or teeth. u bell end hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky-brakless Posted January 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 thanks for the help im sure it will help a load . ill be out tonight practicing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Gonna give this a bump as I'm after a few tips myself. First off what should I be looking toward as a starting point at brakeless, I was thinking of bunnyhopping 90 degrees onto a kerb to try and stop or slow my momentum? I'm pretty good at managing 180's but need to get some practice in on spinning the bike back around and I think I over tension the chain when I try to go backwards and usually just end up stopping dead. I'll have some lighter forks and higher bars on by the end of the week so hopefully that should help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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