boon racoon Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Think there are some tyre clearance issues with the built in booster They look really really nice though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 i think its to low. Looking at judders new onethat seems to be the reason no one likes the czar with a seat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Does it have std cable bosses for the vee steve? Looking back at my old Onza T-rex which had a similar mount setup the problem was when running the v-brake it only had hose mounts so you had to run a full length outer which resulted in muchyness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Full length outer is the way it should be though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Booth Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Full length outer is the way it should be though I have tried to expalian that already, but he's not moving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Full outer is not the one for rear V-brakes. Maybe with some fancy cable (I don't know about that), but with a normal cable it feels horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Full outer is not the one for rear V-brakes. Maybe with some fancy cable (I don't know about that), but with a normal cable it feels horrible.It's all about slick linear's with V setups isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Full length outer + linear slic or similar 'good' cable (as in, £5 or so) and it's excellentHaving a few sections of outer leads to more friction entering the ends, whereas a decent outer can really lower this.Lubing it all up nicely is always nice too (grease on the inner, spray down the outer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Harrison Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Just one thing though... if you run the V-brake on the underneath, like with the production frames, won't it foul the chain if you're running a normal (i.e. 22T) chainring? Because that's the only size I'd run on a 24 - no point running some little fixed cog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 On Steve's bike it appeared to clear, 'cos yeah, that was one of my "Concerns" too.Tomm - Odyssey's Linear Slic cables are designed to be run as a full outer, and at something like £6.99 they're not gonna break the bank either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 On Steve's bike it appeared to clear, 'cos yeah, that was one of my "Concerns" too.What about with a 22T though? Looks like it should go - would be good to check.. I'm sure Steve's scuttled off to find some measuring implements, haha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Ah, shit, yeah, forgot Steve would probably be running the Cloud9 setup. My bad :$Hi,I'm just getting a tensioner sorted, but couldn't resist sharing this with you before it's complete Plenty of clearance between the V arms and cranks I'm pleased to say! More photos coming soon in the next few days.SteveLooks like it would clear if you had 4 extra teeth on there. I know there's a figure for how much extra height you get per tooth, but I can't remember it right now. It'd probably be close, but I guess if you knew you wanted to run a V, you'd probably just get the V on top? I'd imagine Maguras would be easier to clear it on the underside 'cos they're thicker in the middle rather than at the bottom edge, like V's.EDIT: Attachment's f**ked, just click the link to the post I guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boon racoon Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 (edited) On the subject of clearance..Mike's rear wheel wouldn't even turn out of the box when he put his back wheel in because of the in-built booster. Was about 5mm off having *reasonable* clearance (think he had to grind down the booster!) using a Maxxis Holy Roller tyre which was about half worn down.Arent those fairly low-profile tyres as well?! Wouldn't like to see it with a brand new Swampthing in there or something!Edit:What tyre is that? Seems to have loads of clearance from hitting the top of the booster. Odd Edited March 28, 2008 by boon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatsink Posted March 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Think there are some tyre clearance issues with the built in booster They look really really nice though.The tyre clearance around the booster has been noted for sorting out on the next batch of frames i think its to low. Looking at judders new onethat seems to be the reason no one likes the czar with a seatI think you're right about this. It will be raised up a tad for the next frames.Does it have std cable bosses for the vee steve? Looking back at my old Onza T-rex which had a similar mount setup the problem was when running the v-brake it only had hose mounts so you had to run a full length outer which resulted in muchyness.The Vee mounts are the clip in type where you twist the cable in. For running full outers on which is what I've always preferred although I will of course yield if I'm in the minority!What about with a 22T though? Looks like it should go - would be good to check.. I'm sure Steve's scuttled off to find some measuring implements, haha!Haha, I will tonight I will be checking out clearance for the various brake permutations asap.It seems that the low stand over with the seat stays in line to the top tube is linked to a number of things, so once I raise this up a tad with a check beforehand that everything works as a result for the brake & saddle clearance, then this is a great forward step.Thanks for all your scrutiny of this and suggestions!Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 What tyre is that?Not sure... but that's a random one-off 26" frame made for a German bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 Steve, have you thought about changing the seat tube angle by a few degrees to allow seats to be "slammed" easier? Even with a higher top tube I think they may still foul the tyre because of the seat tube angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 Its being considered, Jon, so should be easier to run seats lower on future batches of the frame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Hey Steve,What's the longest sus fork you'd suggest to use with the 24?Would like to get one in the summer once a job is sorted, was thinking of Z1 Bombers 150mm - would they be too big?I ride a kind of "street jump trials" style, so a little trialsy stuff, stair sets, benches... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Hey Steve,What's the longest sus fork you'd suggest to use with the 24?Would like to get one in the summer once a job is sorted, was thinking of Z1 Bombers 150mm - would they be too big?I ride a kind of "street jump trials" style, so a little trialsy stuff, stair sets, benches...I'd say about about 50-80mm tops? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceman Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 I think 150mm would a quite an overkill for the frame?It's really long, and the headtube might just snap. 50-80mm would be ok. I would run a 60 if I still had my sus fork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Hmm, shame, I love big forks I have 100's on my Rhythm 24 but am gonna get 150 Bomber Z1's, with a view of changing all the parts on to a 24uk in the summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Hmm, shame, I love big forks I have 100's on my Rhythm 24 but am gonna get 150 Bomber Z1's, with a view of changing all the parts on to a 24uk in the summer 150mm is total overkill on a street bike, or any hardtail in fact - let alone a trials bike. Don't do it, please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 150mm is total overkill on a street bike, or any hardtail in fact - let alone a trials bike. Don't do it, please!Mine is an allrounder rather than trials bike... Trust me, me and my mate Nick both have the DJ3 100mm and both are looking to go to 150 - they are just too small! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 What size drops are you doing that require 6" of travel?! Some guy came down to Southbank with a set of 150mm forks on, and his bike looked like it'd ride terribly. Ultra slack head-angle, and soft looooooong travel forks just make it look hideous. Putting that much travel on an even vaguely trials-related bike would be a huge mistake, not only because it'd feel gash, but also because you'd probably rip the headtube off it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 What size drops are you doing that require 6" of travel?! Some guy came down to Southbank with a set of 150mm forks on, and his bike looked like it'd ride terribly. Ultra slack head-angle, and soft looooooong travel forks just make it look hideous. Putting that much travel on an even vaguely trials-related bike would be a huge mistake, not only because it'd feel gash, but also because you'd probably rip the headtube off it...Not particularly big drops, it's just the feel and look of it - it just feels really low. My mate has an Identiti Dr Jekyll with the same forks as me and he feels the same.I personally like the look of larger forks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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